Cypriots: Are they Ancient Greek descendants, or Hellenized Levantines?

[Sikeliot]

I am sharing with one Cypriot on 23andme who clusters outside of Europe, and not near any of the Greeks:




and according to the latest Dodecad, this is the average result for a Cypriot:

42.9% Mediterranean
35.1% West Asian
15.9% SW Asian
3.4% East European
1.3% West European
0.4% South Asian
0.4% NW African
0.4% East African
0.1% Neo-African
0.1% SE Asian


and for Greeks:

41.9% Mediterranean
25.7% West Asian
13.5% West European
11% East European
6.8% SW Asian
0.2% SE Asian
0.1% South Asian
0.1% NW African
0.1% NE Asian


As you can see, Cypriots have 10% more West Asian, 20% less European (West + East combined), and about 9% more SW Asian.


A Lebanese gets this:

32.4% West Asian
28.8% Mediterranean
23.9% SW Asian
3.1% East African
2.5% East European
2.2% NW African
1.9% Neo-African
1.4% South Asian
1.2% West European
1% SE Asian
0.9% Palaeo-African
0.7% NE Asian


Cypriots are more West Asian than Lebanese..

[Sikeliot]

This is not about phenotype at all but rather about genetic ancestry. I'm also not denying Cypriots as "Greek", since they are of course Greeks culturally, but the question is, are they GENETIC Greeks?

[Mortimer]

purely ancient greek or Close to it

[Sikeliot]

purely ancient greek or Close to it

Then explain the DNA results above. Cypriots cluster OUTSIDE of Europe, so if they are close to pure Ancient Greek, Ancient Greeks weren't genetically European.

[Mortimer]

Then explain the DNA results above. Cypriots cluster OUTSIDE of Europe, so if they are close to pure Ancient Greek, Ancient Greeks weren't genetically European.

this is just one Cypriot. is there any genetic study on cypriots? i mean General. the Cypriot has about same amount of meditteranean as the greeks and a bit more west asian but less west asian then the lebanese, you wrote it wrong that the lebanese has less west asian

[Sikeliot]

this is just one Cypriot. is there any genetic study on cypriots? i mean General. the Cypriot has about same amount of meditteranean as the greeks and a bit more west asian but less west asian then the lebanese, you wrote it wrong that the lebanese has less west asian

I said the Cypriot has more West Asian than the Lebanese.

I only posted one Cypriot result from 23andme since I share with one, but the Dodecad sample is based on a larger sample, and no PCA plot has ever put Cypriots next to the other Greeks but rather always drifting into the Levant.

Anyone who is saying they are not Hellenized Levantines will have to prove genetically that they cluster with other Greeks.

[wvwvw]

purely ancient greek or Close to it

A great many Cypriots cluster close to Greeks, but there is a number of them who are clearly mixed which drags their cluster towards Levantines. And I have been told that in the Cypriot cluster are included Maronites and other ethnic minorities besides Greek Cypriots.

[Sikeliot]

[/b]A great many Cypriots cluster close to Greeks[/b], but there is a number of them who are clearly mixed which drags their cluster towards Levantines. And I have been told that in the Cypriot cluster are included Maronites and other ethnic minorities besides Greek Cypriots.

Prove it?
All of the Cypriot results on any analysis always show them as having VERY little European ancestry, surely they can't be full Greek or they'd have more, unless you think Greeks are not genetic Europeans and you can't have it both ways.

[wvwvw]

Prove it?
All of the Cypriot results on any analysis always show them as having VERY little European ancestry, surely they can't be full Greek or they'd have more, unless you think Greeks are not genetic Europeans and you can't have it both ways.

Fine, then we are not genetic Europeans.

[Sikeliot]

Fine, then we are not genetic Europeans.

So you think Cypriots who have such low European scores are recently mixed?