Nordics and Greece

[Petros Houhoulis]

Wrong, proto-Albanian was spoken from the outskirts of Bosnia and Herzegovina to central Albania, not Dacia, which was a part of Thrace anyways.

I said probably Dacia, not certainly! We are certainly missing a lot of details.

[Petros Houhoulis]

The fairer Indo-European invaders be they Hellenea/Latins/Celts, Germans or Slavs, just like in India, met a darker Caucasian strain throughout Europe. This is obvious. I'm not sure they were always "Nordic" though as I think this headshape and height, just like the typically Slavic blondes, is a reaction to physically selection, diet and climate.

That these factors effect people is evident from the cases of Ashkenazi Jews and Japanese who when in Poland and Japan were often short-headed and small statued but within a few generations in America become long-faced and taller due to factors like diet.

...And that was the death of Eugenics as a science.

[Petros Houhoulis]

“LIKE A GREEK GOD...”

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It is more than certain that the origin of the Greek language was somewhere around Ukraine, and that the Greeks subdued earlier non-Greek people (Pelasgians? Minoans?) but their contribution to the gene pool was meagre.

Ramesses had red hair too, but the most of the Egyptians had black hair. About the same in Ancient Greece, only a bit lighter.

[riverman]

They were racially Nordic.

No, the concept is foreign to southerners in general, the obsession with light hair/eyes is very culture specific, only certain groups hold those views.

[Pallantides]

Between 1679-1702, Rudbeck dedicated himself to contributions in historical-linguistics patriotism, writing a 3,000-page treatise in four volumes called Atlantica (Atland eller Manheim in Swedish) where he purported to prove that Sweden was Atlantis, the cradle of civilization, and Swedish the original language of Adam from which Latin and Hebrew had evolved

Also northern Finland has its important role in Rudbeck’s survey. He claimed that Greece and Rome have received their first seeds of civilization from the area of northern Finland. By Rudbeck also the ancient Greek and Roman heroes originate in the North of Finland.

[Loki]

We have to thank the Sami for civilization then

[Hellenas]

We may note that Angel (1944), calculated that during the Classical period of Greek history (650—150 BC), 27% of the Greek population had been predominantly Nordic in type.

The Nordic-Iranian type Its not Nordid at all, even Angel who coined it remarked it included dark hair. Names in racial nomenclature or typology are simply labels; they need not provide truthful information in themselves. Angel further recognised 4 Nordic-Iranian microtypes (D1, D2, D3, D4).



Nordic-Iranian (D2)

Certain authors over the years misread this type as Nordid. Since Angel (1946) identified this type in 33% of ancient Greek crania ca. 2000 - 1400 BC, this led to the idea that Nordids were 1/3 of the ancient Greek population. You still find this error on some "Nordicist" leaning sites.

Nordic-Iranians (Type D)

Nordic-Iranians (Type D: Plate XL, m-q) have long and high heads with peculiarly deep occiputs, smooth ovoid-ellipsoid contour, sharply-cut muscle impressions, strong browridges, and tilted and capacious foreheads. Marked facial height and narrowness of cheeks compared to wide forehead and jowls makes a rectangular, horse-faced impression. Large but slightly retreating cheekbones enclose drooping orbits, and big, salient, and aquiline noses, long-arched palates, muscular jaws wide at the angles, and cleft chins lacking prominence all add to the same effect. Nordic-Iranians were tall and muscular, strong-necked, and probably included tawny-haired blue- or green-eyed blonds as well as brunets. Approximate identity, and noteworthy resemblances to North Iranian Bronze Age Proto-Nordics, to Anglo-Saxons, and to medieval Irish Monks show the divided eastern and northern relations of this Greek type. And although Type D has low variability, it includes four slightly different tendencies: a cylindrical-skulled, slab-faced Iron-Age Nordic one (D1: Chalcidian and E. Thracian, in Plate XL, n and o), a high-skulled, ellipsoid, “Corded” tendency (D2: Chalcidian in Plate XL, p slightly “dinaricised”), a long byrsoid, deep-skulled, huge-nosed, convex-profiled Iranian trend (D4: Athenian of Arcadian parentage, in Plate XL, m), and a small-faced Iranian-Mediterranean divergence approaching Coon's Cappadocian and Danubian types (D3: Athenian in Plate XL, q).











http://dienekes.awardspace.com/texts...morphological/

This argument was later repeated by C.G. Seligman, who wrote that "it must, I think, be recognized that the Mediterranean race has actually more achievement to its credit than any other".[51] Even Carleton Coon insisted that among Greeks "the Nordic element is weak, as it probably has been since the days of Homer...It is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite."[52]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#Nordicism

[riverman]

The fairer Indo-European invaders be they Hellenes/Latins/Celts, Germans or Slavs, just like in India, met a darker Caucasian strain throughout Europe. This is obvious.

Hmm it's not obvious to me. The Greek empire was quite large remember, and the greek language supposedly goes directly from Indo-European to Hellenic dialects, why would there be a major racial difference?

[Sikeliot]

If anything Greeks today should be MORE Northern influenced than the ancients, not less. Compare Calabrese, Cretans, Rhodians, and Anatolian Greeks (all groups that are homogenously dark and claimed to be Ancient Greek descendants) to mainland Greece today and you'll see.

[Hellenas]

If anything Greeks today should be MORE Northern influenced than the ancients, not less. Compare Calabrese, Cretans, Rhodians, and Anatolian Greeks (all groups that are homogenously dark and claimed to be Ancient Greek descendants) to mainland Greece today and you'll see.

Greeks do not differ from ancient Greeks according to the Anthropologists, mainland Greeks are not lighter than other Greeks, only northwestern Greeks are a bit lighter.