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    Default Ancient mtDNA from Unetice Culture remains + genetic origins of modern Central Europeans

    The haplogroup distribution of the Corded Ware and Unetice cultures included mtDNA lineages U, I and T, as indicated by component loadings in the PCA plot (Figure 1b) and clustered most closely to modern Eastern European populations, such as Czechoslovakia and Latvia. However, while the Corded Ware clustered within extant populations, the Unetice culture clustered outside the modern population haplogroup distribution (Figure 1a). This resulted from it having a higher frequency of the most common European mtDNA lineage, haplogroup H (15%), compared to the Unetice culture (6%). The Bell Beaker culture also fell within the haplogroup distribution of extant populations (Figure 1a), with a very high frequency of haplogroup H (88%), leading to clustering of this culture with modern Western European populations, such as Sardinia and Spain, which also have a high frequency of haplogroup H (Torroni et al. 1998; Achilli et al. 2004).
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    Bell Beaker has a strong connection to our R-L21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Bell Beaker has a strong connection to our R-L21.
    But that would be a huge misunderstanding to connect Bell Beaker only with R-L21.
    R1a-Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>YP5224>BY27800
    N1c-L1026>CTS10760>VL29>Z4908>L550>L1025>M2783>Y5580>L591>BY158>Y5576
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    But that would be a huge misunderstanding to connect Bell Beaker only with R-L21.
    I mean expansion into Britain from Europe.


    edit: Looks like my Dad's mtdna is similar to yours, U4a. Got the results last night.
    Last edited by Graham; 04-18-2013 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    I mean expansion into Britain from Europe.
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    Allright, I wrongly took you for a L21 centrist .Anyway, Bell Beaker seems to be connected well through various clades around R-P312 (R-L21 as well).

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    edit: Looks like my Dad's mtdna is similar to yours, U4a. Got the results last night.
    Decent, mesolithic mtdna. Was probably more numerous back then, along with other U clades.
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    What do you think of this post from another forum?

    http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?...1300&start=10;

    The post in question is the final one on this page. Here it is in its entirety:

    "If M458 is around 4KYA old, then surely it's a marker of the Unetice Culture, which experienced a decline during the late Bronze Age, when the Unetice Culture vanished, and then bounced back from surviving pockets in what is now Poland during the Slavic and Polish expansions.

    http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6752/mkmu.jpg

    Ancient DNA from Unetice remains is on the way, and I'm sure M458 is one of the Y-SNPs being tested. We should see the results next year. But we already know that Unetice mtDNA is very Eastern European, so it's reasonable to assume the main Y-DNA of this culture was R1a.

    Now, if it turns out that Z284 is the closest subclade to M458, as tentatively predicted by Lappa, then it should be linked to whatever culture developed in Scandinavia during the Unetice Culture. That would mean it's a marker of the Central European input into the Nordic Bronze Age.

    Stable isotopes show that there were contacts between Scandinavia and Poland at that time, probably in both directions, so the suspected M458 and Z284 link makes sense
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    What do we know about the Unetice Culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Bell Beaker has a strong connection to our R-L21.
    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    I mean expansion into Britain from Europe.


    edit: Looks like my Dad's mtdna is similar to yours, U4a. Got the results last night.
    Called it in early 2013.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43115485

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