Post people who look like the different "historical" groups of Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Tony Bennet- Dorian Syrakusiote.

He's of Calabrese descent not Sicilian

Do you think my "Greek" looking examples above work?

[Scholarios]

He's of Calabrese descent not Sicilian

Do you think my "Greek" looking examples above work?

Yeah I was just saying, he would match with an Ancient Sicilian. He's Griko, btw.

let me review those Greek-lookers now...

[Scholarios]

Very Greek looking.

But I do still think Ancients were not homogenous. Despite all the nordicism here about the Ancients, I do think blonder individuals existed in Ancient Greek world. However, I never see people post blonde people as "Ancient Greek"- even though it's true they existed in a minority of the population.

[Sikeliot]

Very Greek looking.

But I do still think Ancients were not homogenous. Despite all the nordicism here about the Ancients, I do think blonder individuals existed in Ancient Greek world. However, I never see people post blonde people as "Ancient Greek"- even though it's true they existed in a minority of the population.

The woman you just posted, is also in my avatar. Her name is Bruna di Raimondo and she is from Messina.

I think most eastern Sicilians look very Greek. Then in the west you have Phoenician looking people, Norman, Moorish etc. Do you think I got the others I did right too, like Phoenician and Moorish?

[Scholarios]

I think it's always hard to talk about Phonecians and Moors as well...Both are not homegenous. Especially Moors... remember we found that these guys who conquered Sicily (and Crete!) were Iberians! That's native Iberian people - Celto-Romance, Phoenician, Berber, and some Arabs probably!

[Sikeliot]

I think it's always hard to talk about Phonecians and Moors as well...Both are not homegenous. Especially Moors... remember we found that these guys who conquered Sicily (and Crete!) were Iberians! That's native Iberian people - Celto-Romance, Phoenician, Berber, and some Arabs probably!

I don't think that is true. I am pretty sure it was people from Tunisia as well as Arabians and Syrians. But either way most of the Moors were expelled anyway. Their impact was small compared to say, Phoenicians in the west.

[Scholarios]

I don't think that is true. I am pretty sure it was people from Tunisia as well as Arabians and Syrians. But either way most of the Moors were expelled anyway. Their impact was small compared to say, Phoenicians in the west.

Well, there is dispute. The Cretan conquerors were definitely recorded from Al-Andalus at least

- Byzantine rule in Crete was interrupted, however, by a period of Arab domination that lasted more than a century. Arab raids had been common since the beginning of Islamic expansion, but Crete managed to fend off attempts at full-scale conquest. But early in the 9th century the island was invaded by a large force of Andalusian Arabs who had been exiled from Spain by the Emir of Cordoba after an unsuccessful revolt. (Europeans and Byzantines called them Saracens, their name for all Arabs and later for all Muslims.) The exiles captured and held the Egyptian city of Alexandria for a while, but were once again defeated and expelled, so in 827 or 828, they decided to give Crete a try.

and in Sicily, similar composition-

In 830 they received a strong reinforcement of 30,000 African and Andalusian troops. The Iberian Muslims defeated the Byzantine commander Teodotus in July–August of that year, but again a plague forced them to return to Mazara and then to Africa. The African Berber units sent to besiege Palermo managed to capture it after a year long siege in September 831.[3] Palermo became the Muslim capital of Sicily, renamed al-Madinah ("The City").[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirat...ions_of_Sicily

http://www.travels.bowenplace.com/cr..._06_byzantine/

And why not? Muslims from Africa and Iberia had been free-moving with each other for more than a century already.

[Sikeliot]

I'd never heard that before. That is interesting though. I do know a lot of North Africans must have Andalusian (i.e. converted Spanish "Moors") ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

Another Siculo-Norman from Palermo. He looks very French or Central European.

[alfieb]

What a diverse place, Paliemmu, mia patria.