Should Islam be Banned in the West?

[Peyrol]

Absolutely.

Islam is totally ruining my beautiful country.

[evon]

Yes.. mainstream Islam (Sunni and Shiite) should be banned along with Judaism. (Alevism, Bektashism and Sufism are to be left untouched).

are you one of those who consider Sufism to be a peaceful branching of Islam?

[The Lawspeaker]

are you one of those who consider Sufism to be a peaceful branching of Islam?

Yes. And I have seen no evidence of the contrary.

[Arianiti]

Anglojew is using the same arguments the Nazi's used against his people. I just noticed that.

I don't understand this Jewish guy, knowing that Muslims had save their butts many times.

[Illancha]

Yes. And I have seen no evidence of the contrary.

Chechnya.

To be precise the conflict was not at all motivated by religion, but Sufism played a crucial role in uniting the Chechen and Dagestani resistance against Imperial Russian invaders.

[The Lawspeaker]

Chechnya.

I have seen no evidence of the contrary here in the West. Weren't they themselves attacked too ? Is there no right to defend oneself ?

[Illancha]

I have seen no evidence of the contrary here in the West. Weren't they themselves attacked too ? Is there no right to defend oneself ?

I wish people understood this basic fact.

[The Lawspeaker]

Note; what is going on in the Middle East today is not self-defence. Islam started this war and we have brought it back to their own country and as I such I don't feel sorry for them at all. I just wish the West would take off it's gloves and go all out. Not because the war is fun.. but because it has to be won. They have to be taught a lesson they will never forget: don't f...ck with us.

[baraSYR]

Absolutely.

Islam is totally ruining my beautiful country.

the elements who cause ruining your country must deported, I am muslim and I approve everyone right to protect his culture and heritage from Viruses. but don't take the whole with some muslims false. any muslim who trying to destroy others life in any way is sinner, because he broke the pledge that is in Quran
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."

[evon]

Yes. And I have seen no evidence of the contrary.

In history Sufism have tended to be based in "brotherhoods", therefore many Sufis have tended to be really points for armed conflict, the best examples are found in North Africa during the Ottoman and into the French and Italian colonial era, also in Sudan which has traditionally been a Sufi hotspot. Also, the Janisseri in various Ottoman eras were followers of Sufism, so where the founders of the Safavid empire ect...

So i would hardly say that Sufism in its basic form have anything to do with a more peace oriented Islam versus mainstream orthodox trends as found in Sunni and Shite trends ect..

Some Sufi "brotherhoods" and short history on them:

Sanussi:

The Senussi or Sanussi (Arabic: السنوسية‎) refers to a Muslim political-religious Sufi order and tribe in Libya and the Sudan region founded in Mecca in 1837 by the Grand Senussi, Sayyid Muhammad ibn Ali as-Senussi. The Senussi claim a direct lineage to the Prophet Muhammed. Senussi was concerned with both the decline of Islamic thought and spirituality and the weakening of Muslim political integrity. From 1902 to 1913 the Senussi fought French expansion in the Sahara, and the Italian colonisation of Libya beginning in 1911. In World War I, the Senussi fought against the British in Egypt and Sudan. During World War II the Senussi tribe provided vital support to the British 8th Army in North Africa against the German and Italian forces. The Grand Senussi's grandson became King Idris of Libya in 1951. In 1969, King Idris I was overthrown by a military coup led by Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. A third of the population in Libya continue to be affiliated with the Senussi movement.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senussi

Ansar:

Northern Sudan has long been inhabited by Arabic-speaking people who farm the Nile valley and follow a nomadic pastoral way of life elsewhere. Sudan came under Egyptian suzerainty when an Ottoman force conquered and occupied the region in 1820–21. Muhammed Ahmad, a Sudanese religious leader based on Aba Island, proclaimed himself Mahdi on 29 June 1881. His followers won a series of victories against the Egyptians culminating in the capture of Kartoum in January 1885. Muhammed Ahmad died a few months later, but his successor the Khalifa 'Abd Allah ibn Muhammad maintained the independence of the Mahdist state until 1898, when an Anglo-Egyptian force regained control. The Mahdi's eldest surviving son Abd al-Rahman al-Mahdi was the religious and political leader of the Ansar throughout most of the colonial era of the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (1898-1955) and for a few years after Sudan gained independence in January 1956. His descendants have led the movement since then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_%28Sudan%29

Bektashi:

The Bektashi order was widespread in the Ottoman Empire, their lodges being scattered throughout Anatolia as well as many parts of Balkans and the imperial city of Istanbul. The order had close ties with the Janissary corps, the bulk of the Ottoman Army.[5] With the abolition of Janissaries, the Bektashi order was banned throughout Ottoman Empire by Sultan Mahmud II in 1826. This decision was supported by the Sunni religious elite as well as the leaders of other, more orthodox, Sufi orders. Bektashi tekkes were closed and their dervishes were exiled. Bektashis slowly regained freedom with the coming of the Tanzimat era. After the foundation of republic, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk banned all Sufi orders and shut down the lodges in 1925. Consequently, the Bektashi leadership moved to Albania and established their headquarters in the city of Tirana. Among the most famous followers of Bektashi Sufisim in the 19th century Balkans were Ali Pasha and Naim Frashëri.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi