Danes Rethink A Welfare State Ample to a Fault

[Hess]

Most of them dating back to 17th and 18th century. Things have changed. Most, if not all, of them were people that never left their desk and never saw the abject misery of those around them. And if anything: they were raised with a complete disregard for those of "lower financial standing" then they and their rich families (that always profited off the labour of others) were.

They were people of the elite writing for people of the elite.. looking for some kind of a pseudo-philosophical system that would perpetuate their shocking selfishness and callousness.

Historically, Liberalism was a reaction against the very kind of poverty you are talking about; poverty caused by too much Government intrusion into the Economy.

How did these people profit off the labour of others? They were intellectuals; professors like many Socialists. What about the fact that most famous European Socialists are also from Rich, Elite families? What about the fact that Adam Smith, Friedrich Hayek, and many other Liberals were great philanthropists, donating much of their income to various charities?

Frankly, I think you hate Capitalism too much to be objective about it.

[The Lawspeaker]

Historically, Liberalism was a reaction against the very kind of poverty you are talking about; poverty caused by too much Government intrusion into the Economy.

What government intrusion ? The merchants were the government in this country.

How did these people profit off the labour of others? They were intellectuals; professors like many Socialists. What about the fact that most famous European Socialists are also from Rich, Elite families? What about the fact that Adam Smith, Friedrich Hayek, and many other Liberals were great philanthropists, donating much of their income to various charities?

Only very rich people could study in those days. They didn't get their money from hard work.

Frankly, I think you hate Capitalism too much to be objective about it.

With good reason. The only way out of this present mess is to dump capitalism once and for all.

[Graham]

I don't see a source? Giving yourself room to adapt as a small nation, is good.. The article compares an ageing Population only the USA for some reason. Can't imagine being higher than the rest of Europe.


Balurte stop with the Protestant Catholic stuff. It's tiresome and obsessive.

[Hess]

The merchants were the government in this country

What you are describing is Corporatism, not Capitalism.
The Mercantilism of the 16th and 17th centuries had nothing to do with Liberalism or Capitalism.

They didn't get their money from hard work.

Whether their work is hard or not is your opinion. Did they steal their money or get subsidies from the Government? Not as far as I know.

[The Lawspeaker]

What you are describing is Corporatism, not Capitalism.
The Mercantilism of the 16th and 17th centuries had nothing to do with Liberalism or Capitalism.

Different name, same shit.

Whether their work is hard or not is your opinion. Did they steal their money or get subsidies from the Government? Not as far as I know.

They did in most cases by means of receiving handouts straigt out of the coffin as their rich families held control over the government and in those days power over the government was automatically used to give yourself more money at the public's expense.

[mr. logan]

just proves the point.

[The Lawspeaker]

What should be done in Europe is very simple: all businesses that have been privatised should be taken back by the state because not a single privatisation has been successful (meaning better services for the public). Not even one. All regulations that were dumped in order to aid employers and bankers ridding themselves of democratic control and social responsibility should be reimposed. Those breaking the laws should see their businesses confiscated on the spot and themselves prosecuted under law with the most severe punishments being mandatory right away. Their companies will then be sold on to the highest bidder.

Education, welfare payments and healthcare should all be returned to the hands of the state - and thus put under democratic control.

[The Lawspeaker]

just proves the point.

You didn't have a point.

[MarkyMark]

What government intrusion ? The merchants were the government in this country.


Only very rich people could study in those days. They didn't get their money from hard work.


With good reason. The only way out of this present mess is to dump capitalism once and for all.

It was the Capitalist hand that fed western europe in the Marshall Plan where America gave a huge amount of money to rebuild your countries. I wouldn't disrespect the hand that feeds you. Also you must acknowledge that a lot of people here don't like socialism because I don't want to pay for some lazy ghetto person(probably a black) to sit on their ass and smoke weed all day long.

[The Lawspeaker]

It was the Capitalist hand that fed western europe in the Marshall Plan where America gave a huge amount of money to rebuild your countries. I wouldn't disrespect the hand that feeds you. Also you must acknowledge that a lot of people here don't like socialism because I don't want to pay for some lazy ghetto person(probably a black) to sit on their ass and smoke weed all day long.

America can do what it wants but we should follow American ideas in any way, shape or form. Particular since America has long since dumped it's own ideals and has become the exact opposite of what it once stood for. And the Marshall plan ? Was a plan of binding us to America and turning us into perpetual slaves. It was money straight from the National Reserve and thus out of thin air while America nicked our gold in return.