Where Do You Begin?

[TiBi]

Thank you, but would like to understand if there are more takes than only Coon's or similar kinds of "sciences".
My approach is historic and of human geography, also metaphisics.
Still would like to know more of the "empiric" side.



Will check Agrippa's posts!

[Osprey]

Well there was Gunther....
SNPA is a good place to check on the Northern Specimens.
Not sure what you're trying to ask...
Do you want to know if there is another way of classifying individuals?
If so, then i don't think there is.
All classifications are relative to each other. Think of it like this:
a dark haired person in Sweden will be known as a Dark Blonde person in Austria and as Golden Haired in Greece.
Its the same for classifications...
What an American might classify as East-Baltid, a Finn might classify as Faelid and Swiss, as Borreby.
All depending on perspectives.
Hope this helps....

[GeistFaust]

I say don't trust many of these old timers, although they were trailblazers in terms of laying the groundworks to understand the concept of sub-types in a more detailed fashion. Coon likes to generalize things too much, and I think that although he does a good job at identifying and positioning types into a geographical region, he does a poor job at differentiating.


The reason for this is because he puts multiple sub-types into a larger category instead of differentiating them in a much more detailed manner. Lundmann and Eickstedt are a good read, but the terminology might leave you hanging if you compare it with the standard terminology we deal with in terms of sub-types.


Hans Gunther is one of great anthropologists that I have read, but I think some people can find him to Romanticize and Mythologize things too much. His ties with the Nazis also get him branded a bit as a negative figure, but he has many good things to say. Von Eickstedt has a wide range of anthropological knowledge, and he took many different trips throughout the world, which gave him first hand accounts of his anthropological subjects.


I would read people like Agrippa though who have constructed a very systematic methodology and format for anthropological investigations. I would advise you to research what he has to say, and don't forget people will tell you that you are not truly classifying people in a scientific manner on here. Don't listen to them, because using measuring devices to figure things out is an overrated method in my opinion.

[TiBi]

To Osprey:

I see your point, I am asking if there are other books or texts I can read, other branches of this science, other approaches or even just other authors of the same approach etc etc
I know almost nothing, so anything can be useful, thank you again.

[GeistFaust]

Well there was Gunther....
SNPA is a good place to check on the Northern Specimens.
Not sure what you're trying to ask...
Do you want to know if there is another way of classifying individuals?
If so, then i don't think there is.
All classifications are relative to each other. Think of it like this:
a dark haired person in Sweden will be known as a Dark Blonde person in Austria and as Golden Haired in Greece.
Its the same for classifications...
What an American might classify as East-Baltid, a Finn might classify as Faelid and Swiss, as Borreby.
All depending on perspectives.
Hope this helps....

A lot of the time it has to do with interpretations and subjective interpretations made and constructed around general categories and apriori types in anthropology.

That said the material we are dealing with is uniform enough that we can make a fairly accurate approximation with only a marginal errror included in the process.

I think that basically its our task to affirm through synthetic measures and through a systematic methodology to understand and pinpoint the details the compose these general categories.

[TiBi]

I say don't trust many of these old timers, although they were trailblazers in terms of laying the groundworks to understand the concept of sub-types in a more detailed fashion. Coon likes to generalize things too much, and I think that although he does a good job at identifying and positioning types into a geographical region, he does a poor job at differentiating.


The reason for this is because he puts multiple sub-types into a larger category instead of differentiating them in a much more detailed manner. Lundmann and Eickstedt are a good read, but the terminology might leave you hanging if you compare it with the standard terminology we deal with in terms of sub-types.


Hans Gunther is one of great anthropologists that I have read, but I think some people can find him to Romanticize and Mythologize things too much. His ties with the Nazis also get him branded a bit as a negative figure, but he has many good things to say. Von Eickstedt has a wide range of anthropological knowledge, and he took many different trips throughout the world, which gave him first hand accounts of his anthropological subjects.


I would read people like Agrippa though who have constructed a very systematic methodology and format for anthropological investigations. I would advise you to research what he has to say, and don't forget people will tell you that you are not truly classifying people in a scientific manner on here. Don't listen to them, because using measuring devices to figure things out is an overrated method in my opinion.

Thank you Geist, will check those authors tomorrow.
I come from a certain basis and I am trying to integrate.
Hope I make sense lol

[GeistFaust]

To Osprey:

I see your point, I am asking if there are other books or texts I can read, other branches of this science, other approaches or even just other authors of the same approach etc etc
I know almost nothing, so anything can be useful, thank you again.

Ethnology and the Race History of Mankind is a good book written by Von Eickstedt, and I would advise it as a must read to understanding the important racial sub-types.

Agrippa's entire system is based on Von Eickstedt's, but he has elaborated a bit more on it with a much more extensive and detailed format.


The Racial Elements of European history is a good book by Hans F.K. Gunther, and he elaborates over not just the physical traits of the European subtypes, but their psychological mode of distilling and reacting to their environment.

[TiBi]

Thanks very much!

Do you guys (generally) agree with an "evolutionary" point of view?

[Osprey]

Geist Faust is more of an expert than I am, so........

[TiBi]

Geist Faust is more of an expert than I am, so........

I really can use any suggestion and point of view, thank you for taking my requests into consideration