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They were reported living originally along Lena river in Baykal lake region. Very old Turkic settlement.
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No wonder, ancient Turkish typology is well-known by almost all scholars and Dinglings, the ancestors of asian Huns (Sofi Tram-Semen; Huns, Our Ancestors, 2007), were also depicted as big, red-haired or blonde people. Obviously they were proto-TurksOriginally Posted by ButlerKing
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The Yeniseian hypothesis isn't taken serious by most scholars, just another fiction. Chinese sources don't dispute their Turkicnes.
They were proto-Turkic people plain and simple.
Obviously both Kypchaks and Yenisei (location, river name) Kyrgyz descended from them.
Old Chinese sources also reveal that Xiongnu spoke similar language to Dinglings, which also indicates that Xiongnu were clearly Turkic-dominated.
The Huns, Rome and the Birth of Europe
By Hyun Jin Kim
p.177
I just used google translate on Chinese dingling and they seem to mention Dingling are related to Uralic people instead of Turkic. Their origins are still under debate and for your info. Although they also mentioned a possible Turkic or partial Turkic origin they historically mentioned Uralic groups as Dinglings instead
Russian and Chinese anthropologist on Xiongnu
" Those included the Ordos culture, many of them had been identified as the Xiongnu cultures. The region was occupied predominantly by peoples showing Mongoloid features, known from their skeletal remains and artifacts. Portraits found in the Noin-Ula excavations demonstrate other cultural evidences and influences, showing that Chinese and Xiongnu art have influenced each other mutually. Some of these embroidered portraits in the Noin-Ula kurgans also depict the Xiongnu with long braided hair with wide ribbons, which is seen to be identical with the Ashina clan hair-style.[108] Well-preserved bodies in Xiongnu and pre-Xiongnu tombs in the Mongolian Republic and southern Siberia show both Mongoloid and Caucasian features.[109] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid "
A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu mtDNA sequences can be classified as belonging to Asian haplogroups, and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups.[citation needed] This finding indicates that contact between European and Asian populations preceded the start of Xiongnu culture, and confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century BC Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002).
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Xiongnu were a confederation of many nations. It was an empire.
Modu Chanyu mastered 26 nations, from Indo-European Yuezhi until Mongoloid Tungus.
Historians who hold anti-Turkic view explain the transition from old Huns (Xiongnu) to Turkic European Huns (Attila) by saying Xiongnu moved West and assimilated Turkic Dinglings and took their language, assuming Xiongnu was originally Yeniseian-speaking.
That doesn't make sense, the assimilator wouldn't take the language of the assimilated subject.
Xiongnu had people from different races but they were led (Modu Chanyu included) by a Turkic elite stratum.
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The question is what race they belong. For example the Chinese mentioned that Dinglings didn't look physically different from the Chinese and other Asiatic populations but also said they had blonde hair ( I can't one single source that even they were red hair) and they also claimed people such as Nenets as Dinglings and other Uralic tribes, and also compared them Tungustic people.
The question is what race they belong ? Only the Chinese have seen them so their sources are most reliable since they were only to mention them. I believe is they were something like Nenets and other Uralic racial types just like Chinese had claimed they were.
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We don't even if the Xiongnu were Turkic. The thing is they proposed Yenesian, Iranic, Turkic, Mongolic. I don't know what language group they belong to but I trust anthropology data and genetics, it shows they were predominately Mongoloid with some admixture of Caucasoid. They were obviously not a racially Indo-European group.
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Your OP wiki quote says Chinese didn't say anything particular about their look, and then (subjective) concludes that they should be Mongoloid.
Well İ guess that they were rather Europoid or Europoid-leaning Europo-Mongoloid.
And I am not the only to think that way obviously.
Siberia: A Cultural History
By Anthony Haywood
Tested samples could belong to anyone any citizen in the Xiongnu empire. Some subjects or some soldiers or so. That doesn't mean much for the ruling people. Especially not at crossroads of different races, like that area was.
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All the more reason to suspect they were Mongoloid. Because the Chinese had mentioned what the Kushan, Yuezhi, Scythians and other central Asian tribes. The Chinese described them as White and blonde but in the Dingling case, they didn't mentioned their facial traits of Dingling like the Chinese had done generally with their neighbouring East Asian people but only in this case mentioned they had blonde hair but other than nothing more.Your OP wiki quote says Chinese didn't say anything particular about their look, and then (subjective) concludes that they should be Mongoloid.
Well İ guess that they were rather Europoid or Europoid-leaning Europo-Mongoloid.
And I am not the only to think that way obviously.
Siberia: A Cultural History
By Anthony Haywood
What are Chinese suppose to they when they saw a race of people who had blonde/red hair but look similar to themselves ?
Is very common for Siberian Uralic Mongoloid mix breed to have blonde hair/red hair with blue/green eyes.
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Your OP wiki quote says Chinese didn't say anything particular about their look, and then (subjective) concludes that they should be Mongoloid.
Well İ guess that they were rather Europoid or Europoid-leaning Europo-Mongoloid.
And I am not the only to think that way obviously.
Siberia: A Cultural History
By Anthony Haywood
Tested samples could belong to anyone any citizen in the Xiongnu empire. Some subjects or some soldiers or so. That doesn't mean much for the ruling people. Especially not at crossroads of different races, like that area was.
BOOK SOURCES, ARE NOT ENITIRELY REALIBLE. In many things from books are rubbish nonsense written by the authors. You can even find freaking afro-centrist books and Korean nationalist books claiming the world civilizations were created by them. Books are generally considered reliable and authentic but in many of them are just superficial theories and claim, I mean we have freaking dumb idiots of books that claim Buddha was a Negroid or Mongoloid but this is stupid ass crap.
We don't have any racial anthropology of Dingling. We have only for Kypchaks who are mixture of properly many different tribes and only partially descent from Dingling since these people originated in Kazakstan unlike Dingling which originated from Southern Siberia.
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Scythians isn't ethnicity, it's reference to various peoples sharing a similar lifestyle.
Overwhelmingly or Full Mongoloid people can be rarely light in feature.
Dingling and their followers Yenisei Kyrgyz (supposed to be a bit more East Asian mixed since they lived centuries after them).
Chinese year books described the Yenisei Kyrgyz and their society in details tho.
History of Civilizations of Central Asia (vol.4,part-1)
*'Türk, here means the Göktürks (Turkic Kaghanate).
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