How much Arab influence is there in Sicilians?

[Crn Volk]

I work with a couple of Sicilians and you cannot tell them apart from Arabs. In Australia, there are alot of Sicilians, and most look this way. Doing some research, I found it interesting that Arabs conquered Sicily in the past, so I guess this explains some of the reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily

[ChocolateFace]

Not much.

[Scholarios]

Good question. I always bring up that the Arabs that conquered Sicily were Tunisians and Iberians... so not 'real' Arabs. If J1 is an Arab haplogroup I think it's a very small male lineage in Sicily (and of course the Arabs who settled there would have all been males)

[Crn Volk]

Good question. I always bring up that the Arabs that conquered Sicily were Tunisians and Iberians... so not 'real' Arabs. If J1 is an Arab haplogroup I think it's a very small male lineage in Sicily (and of course the Arabs who settled there would have all been males)

So what's a real Arab?

[alfieb]

So what's a real Arab?

Someone from the Arabian Peninsula. A Saudi, a Yemeni, a Bedouin.

To answer the question, Sicily has Levantine and Maghreb influences, but very little if any Arabian influence.

We used the three Vallums (Noto, Demone, Mazzara) until the Napoleonic era. In Trapani, they eat couscous, and other Middle Eastern ingredients are relatively commonplace in Sicily where they may not be elsewhere. The traditional dog breed of the region, the Cirneco dell'Etna, is originally from North Africa.

But I'd say that we definitely have a lot more influence from various parts of Europe than the Middle East. At least, today. It may not have been that way 1000 years ago when Shi'ite Muslim Arabs ruled a majority-Greek Orthodox Sicily.

[Duke]

Saracens of N africa are arabized Berbers, etc
Arabization IMO happen because taking up Islam, which held philosophy that all Muslims are one people

Northafricans defiantly had influence in Sicily for quite a long time

[Kastrioti1443]

Saracens of N africa are arabized Berbers, etc
Arabization IMO happen because taking up Islam, which held philosophy that all Muslims are one people

Northafricans defiantly had influence in Sicily for quite a long time

Genetics have implied that sicilians have only 8% middle. eastern or north african genes.

[Duke]

Genetics have implied that sicilians have only 8% middle. eastern or north african genes.

Point from Saracens attacked is not far from Sicilly, also, that place was Carthage before, which also held Sicily.

Which means there was probably not much difference in genes.


The reference point for ME in genetics is much eastern, I am not sure, but i think Levant area, or fertile cresent

[Kastrioti1443]

Point from Saracens attacked is not far from Sicilly, also, that place was Carthage before, which also held Sicily.

Which means there was probably not much difference in genes.


The reference point for ME is much eastern, i am not sure, but i think Levant area

Man I didn't know that hungarians have fucked up the whole europe in the 10th centry looool , they have gone till Napoli.

[Duke]

Man I didn't know that hungarians have fucked up the whole europe in the 10th centry looool , they have gone till Napoli.

Difference is that Magyars(Hungarians) didnt settle down