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    One question, since i don't know much about this. Did the romans actually try to conquer Scotland? Or they just built a wall without even trying?
    That i know no, but launched destructive raids against Scotland, expecially under Septimius Severus who wanted to exterminate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Delarge View Post
    One question, since i don't know much about this. Did the romans actually try to conquer Scotland? Or they just built a wall without even trying?
    they came, they saw, they failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Delarge View Post
    One question, since i don't know much about this. Did the romans actually try to conquer Scotland? Or they just built a wall without even trying?
    Yes. As Graham's post mentioned, there were hundreds of forts in southern Scotland, the highest concentration found anywhere in Europe. But another thing to add, is that the Romans used more soldiers in their attempted conquest of Caledonia than they used to garrison the entire portion of what's now England and Wales.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ianus View Post
    That i know no, but launched destructive raids against Scotland, expecially under Septimius Severus who wanted to exterminate them.
    There were multiple invasion attempts. The first was under the general Agricola, who got the farthest. He was victorious in open battle but failed to hold onto the area and retreated shortly after.

    Later the emperor Antoninus Pius tried to push the frontier further north, but the Romans abandoned this area after only 30 years and fell back behind Hadrian's wall.

    The emperor Chlorus made some failed incursions in the wake of attacks by tribes trying to penetrate the border and plunder the lands to the south.

    And for the final time, Julian sent legions to neutralize the Picts who were becoming increasingly aggressive, and this was not successful either.

    So really, you can't say the Romans didn't try. They tried many times.
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    The funny thing is that the roman general who conquered Britain, Julius Agricola, was himself a latinized celt

    Anyway they tried to settle Scotland but after some difficulties, they gave up. I don't remember who, but someone said the sentence: ''How we can pretend to control the whole island, since we haven't neither the complete control on Our Sea [the Mediteranean, filled with rebellions at these times]?''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peyrol View Post
    The funny thing is that the roman general who conquered Britain, Julius Agricola, was himself a latinized celt

    Anyway they tried to settle Scotland but after some difficulties, they gave up. I don't remember who, but someone said the sentence: ''How we can pretend to control the whole island, since we haven't neither the complete control on Our Sea [the Mediteranean, filled with rebellions at these times]?''.
    Very true, and the logistics of the whole thing were nearly impossible anyway. Scotland didn't have much of great value for Romans, it was remote and isolated, and eventually they probably just decided that it wasn't worth the effort. There's no point in losing trained legionaries trying to take some empty hills and squalid villages.

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    How come the Romans never left any fancy spas for the Picts? THE BASTARDS!!

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    The provincial division and the city-names were interesting btw....Wales ''Britannia Secunda''...lol

    And the eastern shores ''limes saxonicus''...they already known who will arrive from there some times later...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    How come the Romans never left any fancy spas for the Picts? THE BASTARDS!!
    Even the Welsh got some of those http://www.douk.com/things-to-do/sou...n-roman-baths/




    Quote Originally Posted by Peyrol View Post
    The provincial division and the city-names were interesting btw....Wales ''Britannia Secunda''...lol

    And the eastern shores ''limes saxonicus''...they already known who will arrive from there some times later...
    That's a bit odd about the Saxon Shore, seems way too early. That area was always the first to get hit by continentals though, because it was the most fertile region in Britain. Before the Saxons it was Belgae coming in that way, who knows what before them.

    On that map, the people from Valentia (they called it Hen Ogledd back then, or Old North) came bursting down south as soon as Romans left. Warlords from that area went raiding all through Britain. Some of them were famous for looting Roman accessories, proclaiming themselves King of Britain while showing off their new jewelry.

    A guy called Paternus of the Scarlet Robe was famous for that, he went around wearing a red cape that he took from some Roman governor or general.
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    That seems like an interesting watch!
    "We who live on the edge of the Earth and who are the last full work of freedom, have to this day been protected by our remoteness, by the mystery and fear created by our name.
    But now, the frontiers are open and beyond us is no other people, nothing but the sea and still they come. Their usurpation is not to be escaped by flight, self-obaisment, nor of peacement. The plunderers of the Earth are now invading the seas, because having devastating everything, they now have no more land.
    If their enemy is wealthy, they are greedy. If he is poor they will be after glory, this race for whom neither east nor west is home. Alone among peoples they have looked with equal greed at both rich and poor alike. Stealing, murdering and plundering they call government. And where they created a desert, they call it peace."

    Robert E. Howard's Bran Mak Morn series deals with the subject, only read Worms of the Earth though so far.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_of_the_Earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormBringer View Post
    That seems like an interesting watch!
    "We who live on the edge of the Earth and who are the last full work of freedom, have to this day been protected by our remoteness, by the mystery and fear created by our name.
    But now, the frontiers are open and beyond us is no other people, nothing but the sea and still they come. Their usurpation is not to be escaped by flight, self-obaisment, nor of peacement. The plunderers of the Earth are now invading the seas, because having devastating everything, they now have no more land.
    If their enemy is wealthy, they are greedy. If he is poor they will be after glory, this race for whom neither east nor west is home. Alone among peoples they have looked with equal greed at both rich and poor alike. Stealing, murdering and plundering they call government. And where they created a desert, they call it peace."

    Robert E. Howard's Bran Mak Morn series.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_of_the_Earth
    Bran was perhaps the best character that Howard ever wrote, even though Solomon Kane is my favourite.

    I always wandered why he described the picts as a degenerated race, even in his Conanverse where the picts eventually conquer Aquioneia but are too primitive to make any of use of what they find there and simply lay it to waste. Wasn't Howard part scotish as well?

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