Wilno je Polska

**~~Rugevit~~** · 10-29-2014, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Litvin

Yes, we already know that Poles do not exist. You already wrote this before.

There are no Poles, because 100% of Poles are genetically Non-Polish, according to you.

Thank you for information, Mr East Slavic propagandist. Belarus should annex Poland.

Whoops, but in such case you will be in minority (10 million in a country of 50 million).

You're a funny. Calm down.

**Peterski** · 10-29-2014, 05:42 PM

There weren't many people living Poland Hun invasion who cleared areas for Slavs to expand

You have obsolete information. When Poland was building highways for Euro 2012 (Poland-Ukraine), they discovered new archaeological sites and settlements from that period (4th - 6th centuries AD). So there was no total depopulation by Huns. And yes - population density was small, but also the number of migrants coming from the east also could not be very high. So migrants mixed with old population. Anthropological research by scholars of the Poznan University (under prof. J. Piontek) also found similarity between Iron Age and Slavic Age populations of Poland:

Book by prof. J. Piontek in this link:

http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~anthro/.../01piontek.pdf

English summary of this book:

http://postimg.org/image/lkqszetlr/

And it doesn't mean that they absorbed Germanics because Germanic tribes liked Goths & Vandals were also immigrants in Poland.

Those who built Biskupin were neither Germanic-speakers nor Slavic-speakers. We can call them "Venedic people" for example.

Areas east of Germania Magna were known as European Sarmatia (Sarmatia Europaea) by ancient geographers & historians. We can call populations which lived there "Sarmatians" - not as an ethnic name, but as a name similar to your English/British example. All people who lived in Sarmatia Europaea were "Sarmatian" just like all people in the British Isles are British, no matter ethnicity (English, Scottish, Welsh, etc.).

Their another tribal name was Buzhans derived from the name of River Bug near which they lived.

1) How do you know that Buzhans = Vholynians?
2) How do you know that Buzhans were East Slavic not West Slavic?

**~~Rugevit~~** · 10-29-2014, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Litvin

You have obsolete information. When Poland was building highways for Euro 2012 (Poland-Ukraine), they discovered new archaeological sites and settlements from that period (4th - 6th centuries AD). So there was no total depopulation by Huns. And yes - population density was small, but alsothe number of migrants coming from the east also could not be extremely high. So migrants mixed with old population. Anthropological research by scholars of the Poznan University (under prof. J. Piontek) also found similarity between Ancient and Medieval populations:

http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~anthro/.../01piontek.pdf

And it doesn't mean that they absorbed Germanics because Germanic tribes were also immigrants in Poland.

Did I write there was a total depopulation after Hun invasion? I wrote: "there weren't many people living" in Poland after Hun invasion.

1) How do you know that Buzhans = Vholynians?
2) How do you know that Buzhans were East Slavic not West Slavic?

It's pretty much accepted in historeography that Buzhans and Vholynians were the same group of people. Buzhans were an eastern Slavic tribe, which is also accepted by historians. Archaeological artefacts of Vholynians were found on both sides of western Bug River.

**Peterski** · 10-29-2014, 06:06 PM

"there weren't many people living"

According to estimations by historian Adam Sengebusch the population of Poland (within modern borders) was:

Late 4th century AD (shortly before the Hunnic invasion) - ca. 600,000 people (2 people per 1 km2)
After the Hunnic invasion and subsequent emigration - between ca. 150,000 and ca. 250,000 people

According to archaeologist-prehistorian K. Godłowski, depopulation caused by the Huns and by emigration to the Roman Empire was 2/3.

So population was reduced to 1/3 of previous level, according to Godłowski. He doesn't say how big it was before depopulation.

**Peterski** · 10-29-2014, 06:13 PM

Buzhans were an eastern Slavic tribe, which is also accepted by historians.

What is the evidence that they spoke an East (not West) Slavic language / dialect? And those Buzhans lived east of the River Bug. Even if they lived also west of the Bug then they were not alone, because there is evidence that Mazovian and Lendian settlements existed in that area.