R1b = True Europeans?

**Musso** · 05-12-2013, 05:57 AM

This thread is inspired by Mexican_Abdullah's post. Do you believe that the level of R1b points to 'Europeaness'? What would you associate levels of R1b with? I think the problem with using R1b to indicate anything is that, for example: Tajiks will probably have higher R1b levels than some Europeans on the European continent. In my opinion, 'Europeaness' is more a geographical+cultural indicator.

**Methmatician** · 05-12-2013, 06:24 AM

What's with the low (or nonexistent) levels in Bosnia, Dalmatia and Northern Ukraine?

**Diërker** · 05-12-2013, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Medvjed

What's with the low (or nonexistent) levels in Bosnia, Dalmatia and Northern Ukraine?

Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%

**Methmatician** · 05-12-2013, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Juka

Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%

Thanks, but I wanted to know why it's so small.

**1stLightHorse** · 05-12-2013, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Musso

This thread is inspired by Mexican_Abdullah's post. Do you believe that the level of R1b points to 'Europeaness'? What would you associate levels of R1b with? I think the problem with using R1b to indicate anything is that, for example: Tajiks will probably have higher R1b levels than some Europeans on the European continent. In my opinion, 'Europeaness' is more a geographical+cultural indicator.

Really? What levels are Tajik r1b at?

Originally Posted by Juka

Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%

Wow, I1 is higher than i thought in Bosnians.

**Diërker** · 05-12-2013, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by 1stLightHorse

Really? What levels are Tajik r1b at?

Wow, I1 is higher than i thought in Bosnians.

I have no clue about these Genetic things. What does I1 belong to?

**1stLightHorse** · 05-12-2013, 07:44 AM

haplogroup I1, it's like i guess you can say a Clan of genetic origin, which is traced Paternally. if that makes sense

I found it unusually high, because it's common in North germanics, and i think reaches its peak in Sweden.

**Geni** · 05-12-2013, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by 1stLightHorse

Really? What levels are Tajik r1b at?

Wow, I1 is higher than i thought in Bosnians.

man I2a(slavic) not I1(pre germanic)

**Diërker** · 05-12-2013, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Geni

man I2a(slavic) not I1(pre germanic)

No, no. We have 52% of I1. We have Germanic in us beforehand.
Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%

**ABest** · 05-12-2013, 08:01 AM

I thought R1b had been proven to be associated with Western Europe in general and specifically with the Beaker Culture.

It supposedly originated in Iberia. Also, R1a is associated with similar cultures in Eastern Europe.