Was 9/11 a Cover Up?

[Freomæg]

I simply don't care at this point in time. 9/11 took place, regardless of who the ultimate culprit is. The event itself is now a part of the history books.

I'm with Veritas on this (not about beating you up ). I'm amazed someone can be this callous about our history. 9/11 affected everything! Who committed the act, or was complicit in it, is of unimaginable importance. If it were proven, or even disproven, that the American government were secretly involved, everything that we know would be turned on its head over night. And above all else, history is a reflection of the future. Apathy on this matter is not admirable in my opinion.

[Lahtari]

9/11 affected everything! Who committed the act, or was complicit in it, is of unimaginable importance. If it were proven, or even disproven, that the American government were secretly involved, everything that we know would be turned on its head over night.

Regardless of who committed it, the bottom line is that it has, and is still being used as an excuse of a massive power grab, both in America and Europe. But even if it could be proven that the government wasn't involved but deliberately let it to happen could be a start of more positive development.

[Freomæg]

Regardless of who committed it, the bottom line is that it has, and is still being used as an excuse of a massive power grab, both in America and Europe.

Exactly. It is. But if the government were complicit in 9/11, then the world will know that all of the events which have occured because of it were unjusitifed. That's a war (essentially 2), hundreds of new laws and limitations on liberty, the deaths of thousands, if not millions. Not to mention what this would tell us about the honesty of our governments and media. If it were proven that 9/11 WAS committed by Muslims - that the official story is 100% true, then millions of us sceptics would have a renewed faith in our leaders and a greater resolve to oppose the growing Islamic Empire. Either way, the implications are enormous.

[Loddfafner]

Sometime later I will post my analysis of 9/11. On conspiracy theories in general, this Wikipedia article covers a lot of the reasons why I am skeptical of them.

For now, I just want to ask for clarification of one of the poll options:

No, I don't think the government is capable of covering it up

This is ambiguous. If you mean whether there are factions in government who have the capacity to consider and even attempt such a conspiracy, then my answer is possibly.

If you mean whether they have the capacity to pull it off, then my answer is highly unlikely.

[Rudy]

Five foreign intelligence agencies, and the CIA, warned that there was a plot to fly planes into buildings at least a month in advance. Then C. Rice went on camera and said they had no idea such a thing could happen.
http://www.nlpwessex.org/docs/gordonthomas.htm

On 9-11, the military was watching the radars for in excess of an hour, but never reacted.

The buildings remains have thermite dust all over them, and there was a pool of molten steel in the basement that lasted for several weeks.

At the minimum there was a non-reaction by the government.

[Rudy]

This link provides evidence that the Arab passports were fakes, and they do not know who was on the airplanes.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...mingarabs.html

[Cato]

I can't believe I just read that filth from a European man. You're lucky I am not there in the same room as you because I would go off on you like no tomorrow you sorry excuse for a man. I said state your opinions in this thread but I didn't think I would actually read this kind of shit.

I think you need to reconsider just how seriously you take posting on an internet forum. Given how belligerent you seem to be from your reply to my honest post, I might advise you to grow up a bit. I recall you having a fit of foul language in the chatbox once before, apparently induced because someone compared you to a conspiracy-monger or somesuch. Is this how you normally react when you hear or see something that you don't like?

I'm not going to spend my days wailing about the past or pointing fingers at some nebulous group of evildoers. Are you looking to be offended by someone who's got just as much right to his opinions as you do to yours? Call me a sorry excuse for a man, that's quite fine by me; being abused for one's opinions isn't going to kill me. Are you a God to look down on me or pass sentence on me? Why, you can't even control your own tendency to anger and you think to say that I'm the worse person because I hold an opinion that you don't like!

[Æmeric]

#1: Charlie Sheen is a blowhard lefty. The 9/11 conspiracy is just part of his anti-conservative agenda, because most people can't distinguish between neocons (Bush, Cheney) & true Conservatives. If Al Gore was president on September 11, 2001 lefties such as Sheen & Rosie O'Donnell wouldn't be spouting 9/11 conspiracy theories. These conspiracies are really anti-Bush & anti-Cheney. Has anyone accused the Clinton adminsitration of trying to bring down the WTC in 1993?

#2: If the 9/11 attacks were a government conspiracy, why wasn't UA Flight 93 able to reach its target, either the Capitol or White House? The remote pilot should have been able to override anything that was going on in the cockpit. Yet that plane crashed in Pennsylvania. Either brought down by a fight over control of the plane (official story) or maybe it was shot down. If it was shot down by the USAF & the White House didn't want to admit it, that would be a coverup.

[Cato]

I'm with Veritas on this (not about beating you up ). I'm amazed someone can be this callous about our history. 9/11 affected everything! Who committed the act, or was complicit in it, is of unimaginable importance. If it were proven, or even disproven, that the American government were secretly involved, everything that we know would be turned on its head over night. And above all else, history is a reflection of the future. Apathy on this matter is not admirable in my opinion.

Acceptance is not apathy. What do you want me to do, run around and treat 9/11 like the Jews treat the Holocaust? 9/11 is an event of history now, and I'm not going to work myself up into a frenzy over it. Let others froth at the mouth and get angry about it, let them fixate on it to the point of being obsessed. I was 24 when it happened; I'll be 33 within a month. When I was 24 I was angry and wanted revenge, that's all I cared about. I was happy when the bombs went off in Muslim countries and those idiots got their comeuppance. Looking back, I can't say that I liked being perpetually angry about something that I had no control over.

The world is constantly changing, people come and go and events and deeds are always new. What was important, world-altering news then is history now. I'm not going to react to an external event and have a meltdown. Was it idiot Muslims or a shady bunch of global conspirators? Why is anyone surprised by either option? Are evil people a new feature to life's events? If it's the Muslims, or really a specific group of Muslims, deal with them. If it's a shady bunch of global conspirators, deal with them. In the end, their evil deed is over and done with. However, the evildoers remain and, if left unpunished, will escape justice and might very well continue their plottings.

[SuuT]

:confused2.So the let me make sure I'm crystal, here: Z.O.G of the U.S. is in cahoots with Islamo-Facist secret societies that, in conjuction with one another, form a secretive N.W.O that is seeking to ensalve the population of globe and have managed to keep it out of mainstream press who's primary aim in the era of money-motivated news and sensationalistic 'journalism' is to print and report anything and everything that will, in turn, make money...?


I spent a significant amount of time re-viewing the posted videos some time back, and someone, somewhere therein, talked about the presence of Sulfur at the scence of 9/11 as the nail-in-the-coffin proof of a controlled demolition. Given that I am no engineer, I called one I know to get his thoughts. Turns out that Jet Fuel, relative to the total admixture of its composition, is very very high in Sulfur; further, the disintegration of Sulfur's molecular structure occurs at some wicked high Kelvin. In short, my friend told me that the cause for alarm would be if there were no Sulfur found at the scence: "It would be like examining a gun recently fired and finding no G.S.R", he said.

I don't question that a paradigm shift has occured in, particularly, the western world. I just think that all of this conspiratorial stuff defies, in particular, everything that we know about the nature of Power (via the Social Sciences, Philosophy, etc). Power is simply not that lest it not only vent, but make its venting ubiquitously obvious: Power has a rather insatiable ego. And while there are undoubtedly some sociopathically good liers in the world, the number who would be able to pull such large scale smoke-and-mirror acts off whilst mums the word can probably be counted on a single hand that has been run-over by a train.