Is hungary more a Balkan nation than a central european?

[Blondie]

Maybe a tiny bit but it's not really noticeable. Hungarians look like Czechs, Austrians, Slovaks. You don't cluster at all with Albanians and Greek Thessalians for example.

First of all i'm 1/4 hungarian by ancestry and i didn't do genetic test yet. Secondly why should hungarians cluster with albanians and greeks? Pannonians had definitely different genetic than greeks and albanians because of germanic and celtic influence in Pannonia.

[Blondie]

Map of Großes Germanien:



Later the goth colonist:



Map of old celtic Europe:



The last pannonians and Keszthely Culture in the early medieval age:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

Southern and northern illyrians had different ethnic and genetic history.

[Universe]

I am not fan of these divisions because as a hungarian I just identify as hungarian, but the description that fits Hungary the most is 'Central-East European' or 'East-Central European'.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-Central_Europe.
Hungary shares some things with balkan but not that much imo. Also no one really considers Hungary a balkan country (maybe except a few who use a loose definition of balkan)

[ooops]

Pannonians had definitely different genetic than greeks and albanians because of germanic and celtic influence in Pannonia.

Which in turn means they arent real Balkaners. Pannonian area belongs to Central Europe. So basically my answer was correct.
Balkan world= Ottoman, Byzantine, Bulgarian empires(history) and southern shifted people compared to West Slavs/Germans(genetics).

[Blondie]

Which in turn means they arent real Balkaners. Pannonian area belongs to Central Europe. So basically my answer was correct.
Balkan world= Ottoman, Byzantine, Bulgarian empires(history) and southern shifted people compared to West Slavs/Germans(genetics).

We were talking about pannonians, and they were different than southern illyrians this is my point. Indeed hungarians are not balkanites you are right, but i live here and to be honest 1/3 of hungarians can pass in Balkans very easly.

[Universe]

Hungarians have tons of native pannonian (they were illyrians) genetic ancestry too.

Maybe a tiny bit but it's not really noticeable. Hungarians look like Czechs, Austrians, Slovaks. You don't cluster at all with Albanians and Greek Thessalians for example.

Even Czechs, Slovaks and Austrians have some Balkan or Balkan-like dna. Vahaduo k13 models 16% of my ancestry as Pomak and 17% 'swiss_italian' (see my signature). Swiss_italian may be a proxy for native pannonian.
Chris (another hungarian forum member) is pretty much pure Serbian genetically.(He's closer to serb forum members than to me)

[Jana]

There is nothing Balkan in Hungary. But, it has eastern European vibes/aspects in some things.
East-central is most accurate description.

[Roy]

There is nothing Balkan about Hungary, idk how could it occur like that to anyone and why would is spring to mind.

Even Czechs, Slovaks and Austrians have some Balkan or Balkan-like dna. Vahaduo k13 models 16% of my ancestry as Pomak and 17% 'swiss_italian' (see my signature). Swiss_italian may be a proxy for native pannonian.
Chris (another hungarian forum member) is pretty much pure Serbian genetically.(He's closer to serb forum members than to me)

Poles also regularly score 'Balkan' on various tests, and not only those from the South.

[Arrow Cross]

There is nothing Balkan about Hungary, idk how could it occur like that to anyone and why would is spring to mind.

Except for the whole "swarmed by gypsies and governed by an infinitely corrupt and cynical gang of petty thieves" part. We're getting there alright. No worries.

[TheMaestro]

Central-east, nothing Balkan about them maybe a smaller genetic input but that's all.