Do you consider Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses as Christian?

[Baluarte]

You're not a Christian, and you certainly haven't studied theology. All of what I'm saying.
Once again, your reply makes no real sense.

[SkyBurn]

You're not a Christian, and you certainly haven't studied theology. All of what I'm saying.
Once again, your reply makes no real sense.

Chris·tian (krschn)
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
n.
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.


So full of presumption and arrogance.
Just because I'm not a Christian doesn't mean I don't know anything about Christianity. By that logic, as you aren't European, you shouldn't know anything about Europe.
I actually have studied some theology. Not that that's relevant.

[alfieb]

Here's another pattern. Pretentious people make vast generalisations without understanding core beliefs and definitions.
Enough said.

You are not a Christian. You do not understand that Christians for 1700 years have had the same standard. You believe in the Nicene Creed and the Trinity, and you're in, you don't, and you're out.

Chris·tian (krschn)
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
n.
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.


So full of presumption and arrogance.
Just because I'm not a Christian doesn't mean I don't know anything about Christianity. By that logic, as you aren't European, you shouldn't know anything about Europe.
I actually have studied some theology. Not that that's relevant.

By that standard, Muslims could be Christians. They are not.

[Styggnacke]

No, JW and Mormons aren't Christians.

I don't see what would be so controversial about Protestantism, though. I think Luther had pretty good reasons to object about what was happening in the church. "Selling forgiveness of sins" is obviously not something a church should be doing.

That the reformation also lead to the Bible being translated to Swedish, is something I think is great. The Bible should be for everyone, not just the clergy.

[SkyBurn]

You are not a Christian. You do not understand that Christians for 1700 years have had the same standard. You believe in the Nicene Creed and the Trinity, and you're in, you don't, and you're out.

Perhaps that's your definition, but it's rather arbitrary. Christianity in all its forms has been under constant evolution for it's entire lifespan. Just because you believe that your stream has diverged with more legitimacy does not make it so. Saying that their variation on the theme is not "Christian" because of your own religious chauvinism disregards the basic definition of Christianity.

And yes, I'm not a Christian. Therefore I automatically know nothing? This seems to be a repeated assumption...

[ABest]

I am aware of the basic history of Mormonism, but I think that in the 21st century "heresy" shouldn't be a reason to consider someone completely non-Christian. Except if we are still living in the Middle Ages... Of course there are vital differences, but Mormons still are of the "Christian faith".

At the end of the day, I don't care, since I'm an atheist.

[Loki]

Do you consider these two sects of Christianity to be Christian, or you see them as off shoot of Christianity.

They are offshoots of Christianity, of course. There is no real difference, only in the interpretation of scripture.

Mainstream Christianity considers them heretical. But that doesn't mean they aren't Christians. They consider themselves to be Christians.

Remember, not all early Christians believed in the Trinity. It was only codified during the Nicaean council.

[Baluarte]

No, JW and Mormons aren't Christians.

I don't see what would be so controversial about Protestantism, though. I think Luther had pretty good reasons to object about what was happening in the church. "Selling forgiveness of sins" is obviously not something a church should be doing.

That the reformation also lead to the Bible being translated to Swedish, is something I think is great. The Bible should be for everyone, not just the clergy.

http://www.realclearreligion.com/ind...41a7e-464.html

"THE REIGN OF USURY AND THE INEVITABLE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ECONOMY

Should we be surprised at the current mortgage crisis when much of our economy is based on a violation of God's law against usury? Catholic thought on usury and unproductive loans has been obliterated by the rise of Protestantism in the West. We would do ourselves a favor to understand what usury actually is, rather than what it has come to mean, and how the proliferation of it in our culture may lead to our eventual economic demise. "

Judaized Christianity, that disrespects the Virgin Mary, undermines the Monarchy and promotes bourgeois-led societies.


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Selling indulgences was a temporary, incorrect, practise that was later removed. Not the basis of the problem.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Of couse they are christian.

[SkyBurn]

http://www.realclearreligion.com/ind...41a7e-464.html

"THE REIGN OF USURY AND THE INEVITABLE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ECONOMY

Should we be surprised at the current mortgage crisis when much of our economy is based on a violation of God's law against usury? Catholic thought on usury and unproductive loans has been obliterated by the rise of Protestantism in the West. We would do ourselves a favor to understand what usury actually is, rather than what it has come to mean, and how the proliferation of it in our culture may lead to our eventual economic demise. "

Judaized Christianity, that disrespects the Virgin Mary, undermines the Monarchy and promotes bourgeois-led societies.