Lombards of Sicily

[Ianus]

I don't think Sicilians before Lombard settlements were like Cypriots. I think you overestimate the correlation between genotype anf phenotype

[Sikeliot]

I don't think Sicilians before Lombard settlements were like Cypriots. I think you overestimate the correlation between genotype anf phenotype

Well, if Lombards had any impact at all, given that Sicilians cluster on the edge of Europe now, imagine where they must have been before...

[Peyrol]

Well, if Lombards had any impact at all, given that Sicilians cluster on the edge of Europe now, imagine where they must have been before...

The lombards on 23 and me cluster in the border between north and south Europe, with many of them in the north or even in the eastern euro range.

[Sikeliot]

The lombards on 23 and me cluster in the border between north and south Europe, with many of them in the north or even in the eastern euro range.

I know. But what I mean is that Sicilians must have significant Lombard ancestry, so once you account for that you don't have much North or West Euro in them anymore.

What do you think would be the closest to Sicilians before the Normans and Lombards? Surely not Greeks since they have other northern ancestry from different sources.

[Peyrol]

Hard to say. Probabily dodecanese islanders since they're virtually almost pure doric people, unlike continentals.

[Sikeliot]

Hard to say. Probabily dodecanese islanders since they're virtually almost pure doric people, unlike continentals.

Dodecanese cluster with Sicilians today. So it couldn't have been that.. they cluster with Sicilians after the hypothetical Lombard and Norman influences, which means the Dorians must have an equally strong northern shift dating back to ancient times.

[Ulla]

[alfieb]

Qual'è la differenza tra rossa e blu?

[Ulla]

Qual'è la differenza tra rossa e blu?

Rossa: paese esclusivamente galloitalico

Blu: paese con alcune tracce galloitaliche

Nero: paese galloitalico scomparso o senza nessuna traccia galloitalica

Anyway, it's a homemade map.

http://www.castellodisperlinga.it/su...&&idsubmenu=13


According to linguists the towns where is still spoken today Gallo-Italic are San Fratello, Sperlinga, Nicosia, Novara di Sicilia, and, mostly for ludic purposes (like poetry contests), Aidone and Piazza Armerina.

In Italiano ma molto interessante.

http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/...27Italiano%29/

[alfieb]

Not true. I've been to Ciazza. Some people there still speak it. Still signs on restaurants in Lummarda.