Turkish are not true Caucasoids nor true Turkic ( estimate central Asian admixture in Turks )

[ButlerKing]

I did research and was once again surprised by Turkish non-Caucasoid admixture in some samples. Mongoloid admixture can range from from 5 - 25% in Turkish people. I like to hear Turks explaining these results.


19 Turks from Behar et al. (2010)



Finally, my K=15 analysis has revealed 7.9% "eastern" components in Turks. Given that the "Central Siberian" component is equidistant from Caucasoids and Mongoloids, this translates into about 7.2% East Eurasian admixture. Again, the slightly larger result can be accounted by the sampling of even greater Mongoloid diversity, from the previously unsampled Siberia.

Behar et al. (2010) Turks have 15.4% Central Asian admixture; if we add the 3 Dodecad Project Turks to the sample, this becomes 14.4%.




Turkish people on average are only 5-8% Turkic.

[ButlerKing]

Samples are mostly from Northeast Turkey where the average Mongoloid is low, however samples from other parts of Turkey is 2-7 times larger.

[rashka]

I think they (Turks) say that their average is about 5 - 10% mongoloid.

[ButlerKing]

I think they (Turks) say that their average is about 5 - 10% mongoloid.

That's what study shows. Accept the people from Aydin they are 11.6% Mongoloid on average and most of them are 12-15% Mongoloid.

It's more like this.

1/2 of them 2-10% Mongoloid
1/3 of them 10-15% Mongoloid
1/5 of them 16-20% Mongoloid

A few Turkish individual have 20-25% Mongoloid. ( possibly 1 out of 20 )

[Gospodine]

Both Turks and non-Turks alike severely exaggerate the East Asian/Siberian input in modern-day Turkey.

In the majority of Turkey it's below the double digits and only in certain isolated rural communities (Avshar Turkmen) which where host to the original Oghuz migrations in the 7th and 8th centuries does it reach anything above 15%.

That being said, Turks are a predominantly Near Eastern/West Asian population genetically. Not European and certainly not predominantly Mongoloid by any significant majority. People just need to stop with the fringe-theories regarding Turkish ethnogenesis as it's getting old.

[ButlerKing]

I doubt any modern Avshar Turkmen were original Turkmen, they most likely have assimilated many local anatolian people. Who's to say the didn't?


Gospodine, is not exaggerations, almost every study shows they have significance admixture. The chart you showed represent only the average result it doesn't show all samples.

Turkish people have 3.5 - 5% Asian Paternal Y-DNA to 6.99% to 8% Asian Maternal mtDNA but since it's spread by Mongoloid/Caucasoid hybrids that means much of the Caucasian Y-DNA and mtDNA in Turkish were already hybridsized with Mongoloid.


But mind you I do believe the Turkmen who invaded were not pure and were already like this

[ButlerKing]

Even in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan many original Turkmen kept their obvious Turkic appearance. And these people have 0% C3 but 42.6% haplogroup Q and 30% R1a and R1b

[ButlerKing]

[Gospodine]

Point still stands. Turks are a predominantly Near Eastern/West Asian/South-West Asian population, inclining towards Southern Caucasus populations like Armenians the further East you go in Turkey.

This garbage is spread by Pan-Turkic trolls and Anti-Turkish trolls.

[ButlerKing]

Point still stands. Turks are a predominantly Near Eastern/West Asian/South-West Asian population, inclining towards Southern Caucasus populations like Armenians the further East you go in Turkey.

This garbage is spread by Pan-Turkic trolls and Anti-Turkish trolls.

You sure are pro-Turkish for a slavic person. ( A slavic defender of Turks? how rare haha )

I didn't say Turkish were not predominately Caucasoid, Chuvash are predminately Caucasoid but have 19- 27% Mongoloid admixture themselves. All I'm saying that neither of the two are true Caucasoid people.

Here, your true Turkic who are still wondering in the hills of middle east ( Iran, Afghanistan )






ANOTHER TURKMEN TRIBE IN TURKEY


It says there is no information about the origin and history of the name of the village. Yet some of the people look Asiatic hybrid Mongoloid tribes. If I din't know I though these were Turkic group from Central Asia. They are the Comakdag who lived in Turkey during the Seljuk period.