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  • Romanians

    35 56.45%
  • Albanians

    35 56.45%
  • Greeks

    34 54.84%
  • Serbs

    24 38.71%
  • Croats

    9 14.52%
  • Bulgarian

    28 45.16%
  • Northern Italians

    4 6.45%
  • Southern Italians & Sicilians

    8 12.90%
  • Turks

    10 16.13%
  • Armenians

    4 6.45%
  • Iberians

    3 4.84%
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Thread: Vlachs (Aromanians): who they overlap with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch View Post
    Some Sarakatsani in Bulgaria consider themselves Bulgarian, some even can't speak Greek.
    My point is that both Vlachs and Sarakatsani are indigenous to the region. They have an uninterrupted presence in the region since ancient times.

    "The Sarakatsanic dialect has a lot of archaic components. Maybe it is not a completely Doric dialect but it has for sure, components that indict to pre-Dorian or pre-Aeolic dialects. Some verbs used (such as "namo" "νάμω" = give, which in all modern Greek dialects is "nemo" "νέμω") have archaic forms and also some endings in the verbs. Words as "tata" "τατά", = father can only be found in Illiad!"

    The Sarakatsani in Greece are the main Sarakatsani group of Balkans. Here is what Sarakatsani say:

    "All of us, the Sarakatsani, whether in our homeland (Greece) or elsewhere are Greek (both by ancestry, language or any other "metric" of Greekness) and identify as Greek. Including the Sarakatsani of Bulgaria. The Bulgarian government though, since the cold war has been trying to categorise the Sarakatsani as a separate identity.
    Our kin (συνάφι) frοm Bulgaria are invited and attend our yearly gatherings (ανταμώματα) in Greece which are the greatest celebration of Greekness that can be and are often attended by Greek Presidents as well. Why would we be inviting people who would have turned their back on their Greek identity? Why would these people come all the way from Bulgaria to attend either?
    Likewise, Σαρακατσάνοι from Greece go in Bulgaria to attend similar festivities. Would they consider themselves so dear to people denying their Greekness? No, they would want nothing to do with them.
    Is how the Bulgarian census holder interprets (i.e. twists) their reply in the census, evidence that my kin in Bulgaria do not identify as Greeks? Can anyone, at last, come up with something about us that is un-greek?

    Greeks, are clearly of not greek origin according to the self-identified "bosses" of wikipedia (e.g. Arvanites are Albanians because they speak Arvanitika. They say Vlachs have not greek origin because they speak aromanian, but in this case, Sarakatsani who always spoke only greek are Greek-speaking, not Greeks. So, if you speak Greek and Arvanitika you originate from Albanians while if you speak only Sarakatsanika Greek you are a Greek-speaking of unknown origin"

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    Quote Originally Posted by XtraXavier View Post
    So, this is how they look like.. Interesting, because they don't even resemble Goral people in South Poland who are apparently Vlach influenced.
    Aren't Gorals rather Romanian influenced? Because Vlachs lived south of Danube river.

    Vlach footballer from Bulgaria, Daniel Borimirov:



    Vlach footballer from Romania, Gheorghe Hagi:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch View Post
    Aren't Gorals rather Romanian influenced? Because Vlachs lived south of Danube river.

    Vlach footballer from Bulgaria, Daniel Borimirov:

    Source?

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    To be honest, some look too swarthy to be pure Balkanites. As a nomadic population, they might've mixed with some Gypsies along the way...

    All I know is that Vlachs are native to Albania, but different groups overlap with different ethnicities, which makes sense, due to intermixing & etc.

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    They have their own look, some of them look Gypsy mixed to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbėrori View Post
    To be honest, some look too swarthy to be pure Balkanites. As a nomadic population, they might've mixed with some Gypsies along the way...
    Yeah, sun-tanned people are mixed with gypsies, sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    Yeah, sun-tanned people are mixed with gypsies, sure...

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    I'm not speaking about tanning, but their features.
    Due to their lifestyle, they might've mixed with Gypsies, they sure look like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbėrori View Post
    I'm not speaking about tanning, but their features.
    Due to their lifestyle, they might've mixed with Gypsies, they sure look like it.
    Yeah, sure... now bring here an Anthropologist or Geneticist who support your claims... I wait as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    My point is that both Vlachs and Sarakatsani are indigenous to the region. They have an uninterrupted presence in the region since ancient times.
    True, they are probably among the oldest Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbėrori View Post
    I'm not speaking about tanning, but their features.
    Due to their lifestyle, they might've mixed with Gypsies, they sure look like it.
    Vlachs rarely mix with anyone, lol. Those who do usually forget their identity and adopt the host country's one. For example my grandmother can't speak even word Aromanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    Yeah, sure... now bring here an Anthropologist or Geneticist who support your claims... I wait as well.
    Not much has been done on the Vlachs, so I can't. I'm speaking based on pictures, don't get your panties wet.

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