Hamas orders Orthodox Churches in Gaza to enforce Sharia Law or undergo closure

[StonyArabia]

[QUOTE=MarkyMark;1661965]That is an extremely uneven comparison. Why?

1. Muslims persecuted and forced pagans to convert too.

That's true, and they also prosecuted Muslims.

2. Byzantines were Greco-Romans, not Levantines. Even you were one of the ones who said Levantines christians were not like Greeks so why should Levantine Orthodox people pay for what greeks did?

That's true, nor they should pay for what they did of course. It's sad how they are treated by such morons. Levantine Christians come from different backgrounds, but they all should be respected. I believe if the news is true, is quite disappointing truth be told. All religions should be respected and treated equally. Many Levantine Orthodox are dear to me.

Because a lot of Muslims like to troll me. They antagonize me and kiss the asses of Euro christians or Euro atheists which is pretty damn ironic.

Because maybe they want to be Euro. As for me I never had issue with Middle Eastern Christians btw and many of them are dear freinds. I consider them to be integral part of the Middle East. I just don't like it when Christians bash Muslims or make the Muslims look bad, because of some idiotic group acting idiotic. I honestly find it sad that some people like these morons give a polluted image of my faith.

[MarkyMark]

[QUOTE=Alberta1;1662027]

That is an extremely uneven comparison. Why?


That's true, and they also prosecuted Muslims.



That's true, nor they should pay for what they did of course. It's sad how they are treated by such morons. Levantine Christians come from different backgrounds, but they all should be respected. I believe if the news is true, is quite disappointing truth be told. All religions should be respected and treated equally. Many Levantine Orthodox are dear to me.



Because maybe they want to be Euro. As for me I never had issue with Middle Eastern Christians btw and many of them are dear freinds. I consider them to be integral part of the Middle East. I just don't like it when Christians bash Muslims or make the Muslims look bad, because of some idiotic group acting idiotic. I honestly find it sad that some people like these morons give a polluted image of my faith.

At least I can respect and agree with your opinions. Sido on the other hand was just stupid in saying the orthodox christians should just obey sharia law or leave. Any right minded Arab or Muslim does not agree with sharia law. Turks don't want sharia law, Alwaites have shown attempts at not wanting sharia law(trying to make it legal for a christian to be president), and many Levantine muslims just don't want it. But you have to acknowledge that there are a lot of Muslims that do want it...It is undeniable, and I think sooner or later Levantine Muslims will have to do something about them to be secular and encourage progress in the Levant.

[Scholarios]

Muslim Palestinians I'd assume are the majority of Palestinian diaspora. Lebanese diaspora, conversely, are predominantly Christian. Palestinians (in Palestine) are generally tolerant of other faiths.

but Palestinians in pre-Mandate Palestine were around 10%. Today they are around 3%. Of course, I am not sure how much Jordan plays a factor in this.

[randomguy1235]

but Palestinians in pre-Mandate Palestine were around 10%. Today they are around 3%. Of course, I am not sure how much Jordan plays a factor in this.

The majority of Muslim Palestinians today live in Jordan (Either due to coercion by Israel or emigration). I'm not sure how many Palestinians Christians live here, but it's certainly a substantial amount.

[Pontios]

but Palestinians in pre-Mandate Palestine were around 10%. Today they are around 3%. Of course, I am not sure how much Jordan plays a factor in this.

I believe those numbers are invalid. There are way more than 3% of Palestinians that are Orthodox in my opinion. That's only a little more than 100.000 Palestinians yet from the Palestinians that I have seen, some were Orthodox, so if it was only 3% it would be very rare for me to meet Orthodox Palestinians.

[Scholarios]

I believe those numbers are invalid. There are way more than 3% of Palestinians that are Orthodox in my opinion. That's only a little more than 100.000 Palestinians yet from the Palestinians that I have seen, some were Orthodox, so if it was only 3% it would be very rare for me to meet Orthodox Palestinians.

Pontios, my point is that they went to the diaspora. So of course, in Canada you are going to see a lot of Orthodox Palestinians, especially as you are Orthodox yourself.

Randomguy seems a moderate Palestinian Muslim- (like a good portion of Palestinians are- and even more were in the past) but I think what he's saying amounts to damage control here for other Muslims. There's just too much information out there about persecution of Christians in the Holy Land- only by the most medieval standards can one consider their position "good". In fact, despite some persecution from the Israelis as well, they remain far better off in Israel than in Jordan (second class citizens to the "original" Jordanites) and in the Occupied Territories, Gaza, etc. where they are Dhimmi Nazarenes ready to be punished for the deeds of their Christian "brothers" in other parts of the Muslim world. All signs show this is becoming the rule rather than the exception ever since the switch from Marxism and Arab Socialism to more religious forms of nationalism in the middle east.

[YeshAtid]

yeretz israel

[riverman]

majority rules.one man one vote

You must not be in favor of a Palestinian state, because sharia etc. means no Palestinian state.

[Qutuzistan]

Pontios, my point is that they went to the diaspora. So of course, in Canada you are going to see a lot of Orthodox Palestinians, especially as you are Orthodox yourself.

Randomguy seems a moderate Palestinian Muslim- (like a good portion of Palestinians are- and even more were in the past) but I think what he's saying amounts to damage control here for other Muslims. There's just too much information out there about persecution of Christians in the Holy Land- only by the most medieval standards can one consider their position "good". In fact, despite some persecution from the Israelis as well, they remain far better off in Israel than in Jordan (second class citizens to the "original" Jordanites) and in the Occupied Territories, Gaza, etc. where they are Dhimmi Nazarenes ready to be punished for the deeds of their Christian "brothers" in other parts of the Muslim world. All signs show this is becoming the rule rather than the exception ever since the switch from Marxism and Arab Socialism to more religious forms of nationalism in the middle east.

It's not about switching to religious forms of "Nationalism". It's about wahabi speakers preaching hate and violence. And using Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan as pretexts. The more justifications are handed to these wahabis, the more they spread their influence.They have networks of religious TV-stations, money to build mosques and to influence politics, to place preachers where they want them, more opportunities to finance pro-wahabi revolutions. Of course there also common discrimination and religious divisions, but then again, where aren't those? Are muslims seen as first class citizens in Europe or greece? Of course not.

Believe me, I'm not sympathetic to discrimination/intolerance towards any minority, but i feel like i have no influence and no voice there. People don't listen to us. People who do this, never do this openly. Overwhelming muslims are not concerned about attacking minorities.

[Scholarios]

The differences are that Muslims are increasing in these places, in number at least, while Christians are going extinct. As I said, many or Most Muslims aren't interested in interacting with Christians at all- let alone threatening or killing them. However, remind me again what percentage of Pakestinians voted for Hamas- a group that is excelerating the extinction of their Nazarene brothers and sisters. This may be a consequence if the rise of Wahhabism, as you said. These are not the days of Arafat and George Habash.