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    How about getting Catharism back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dombra View Post
    How about getting Catharism back?
    Nope.

    Catharism is actually a blanket term for anything that wasn't Catholic. There's no proof of any organised "Cathar" faith. Languedoc region in France was previously Arian Christian (from the time of Visigoths), so they didn't evolve with the Church in Rome or Byzantium. Also, its said James the Great may have preached there spreading the word of Jesus all the way to Galicia, so likely these people had not heard Saul's version of Christianity yet, or to the least didn't subscribe to it.

    Some say Catharism itself came from Bulgarian Bogomilism. What ended in Languedoc probably had started far northeast of there, and can be followed in a line from the Steppe and Constantinople to SW France.

    The Cathars were probably the remnants of a Slavonic-Aryan group, les bonnehommes were highly spiritually developed men (and women) who sometimes lived to a thousand years or more, had the ability to heal, levitate, and move objects at a distance. In the east, they were called Volkhv's.

    Albigensian Crusade was probably a cover story. It wasn't really a religious war: that was just the pretext to invade the South, impose centralized control from Paris, confiscate the aristocratic holdings of the south and redistribute to allies of the King, etc.

    The south of the country was an entirely different state. The King was a cuck who barely controlled the regions outside of Paris. He was such a weak leader that he needed to have Eleanor of Aquitaine bring her forces along on the Second Crusade because he was such a weak leader. Then her forces got attacked and mauled because he was such an inept military leader so he decides the best course is to blame his wife for everything that went wrong, mind you that SHE is responsible for him having a force larger than 20 men.

    After she decides he is fucking faggot the French King needed the Pope to convince his wife not to divorce him for being such a weakling. She follows the Pope's advice but a faggot is still a faggot and she divorces that faggot and marries a real chad and gives birth to a real chad, Richard the Lionheart who would also have to drag a deadweight French King around on Crusade.

    The French ruined France and all of the component regions (Normandy, Aquitaine, Provence) by supporting the dead weight governments in the center for centuries.

    It also got Europe in the mood to crusade, by showing them what that would look like, and in fact reduced violence and bloodshed across France as whole by giving the armoured classes of France something to do other than torment their locals and fight amongst themselves.

    Finally, the Albigensian crusades and the absorption of the culture of the Languedoc into mainstream French culture, created the whole concept of the grand chanson d'amour. In short, the fall of the Cathars gave rise to mystical love songs, which themselves are the ancestors of what we would term pop music today.

    Some serious historians propose that the music and songs that arose after the apparent destruction of the Cathar, held encoded mystical messages - so the bard or poet is one level singing a song of how he is pining for his lost and unnamed love, but in fact he whining about his love for his lost prefects or the divine feminine, or some such.

    There are scarcely any Cathar texts left nowadays (I've heard of two and read half a pdf of one). It would be hard trying to recreate the little that's left of their ideas and practices.

    There are only two realistic ways of finding accurate knowledge about the Cathars, though. The first is to develop yourself, and visit their time and place in the mental realm. The second is to read the account of others who have, such as Svetlana de Rohan Levashova.

    Also, personally, I think there's a much more important reason for that. Catharism is viewed by many gnostics as an instance of gnosticism in one point at history. Gnosticism isn't percieved by gnostics as a static dogma, but a living tradition - gnosis comes naturally to different individuals in different ages.

    For instance, texts from the 20th century (Red Book) are ascribed just the same importance as the Nag Hammadi scriptures. Most people of conventional faiths, or even atheists, would be puzzled at that, because in our current zeitgeist is ingrained the thought that historicity lends value to ideas and things.

    Gnostics do not percieve it that way. Time is irrelevant to them, because the things which are true are true at any given point in time and gnosis can produce fruit of equally profound fruit two thousand years apart (well, of course, the miraculous survival of Nag Hammadi library lends it some added value, but it's doesn't change that it's a work of gnosis like any other).

    Gnostics do not have a single holy book. We have many. Not only that - we have holy films, holy songs, and holy paintings (even holy comics, as it happens). Therefore, Catharism is viewed just as another instance of resurfacing gnosis in history. That doesn't mean that Gnostics patriotise Cathars just as one of their "subcults" - it's just as legitimate instance of gnosis as any. I think it's not an offense to say that Catharism was a part of Gnosticism, since "Gnosticism" is just a practical denomination - not a dogma.
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