Saudis to deport Lebanese who back militants in Syria

[StonyArabia]

Fucking Jew.

I am not a Jew, just because I see Hezbollah, Iran, and Assad are harmful to the interest of my people's survival, and want them to be crushed, or weakened is actually a natural thing.

[Amun]

America fights Islamists in Afghanistan, sieges them in Gaza, kills them in Mali, supports them in Egypt & arms them in Syria.
Can anybody explains wtf is going on here?

[Baluarte]

America fights Islamists in Afghanistan, siege them in Gaza, kills them in Mali, supports them in Egypt & arm them in Syria.
Can anybody explains wtf is going on here?

Governing through chaos. Or to take their original latin motto: Ordo ab chao.

[Amun]

Governing through chaos. Or to take their original latin motto: Ordo ab chao.

Condoleezza Rice's creative chaos theory is a good example for that

[StonyArabia]

America fights Islamists in Afghanistan, siege them in Gaza, kills them in Mali, supports them in Egypt & arms them in Syria.
Can anybody explains wtf is going on here?

The revolt in Syria is not Islamist at all, though there is some Islamist factions in it. The revolt occurred due to brutal repression of the majority and some minority populations. In fact there is many groups fighting against Assad. The fight almost have no Islamist overtones, but it does certainly have sectarian and tribal ones. This was the doing of Assad himself, if he was truly about equal representation, the situation would not have occurred. As well the tribal population is angry and wants to avenge the loss that occurred during the protest, because Assad forces were in their areas, often killing children just to send the message. The revolt is complex and can not be put in the Islamist lens. The Assadites and their supporters are using the term Islamist like it's a boogeyman in order to take away from the true nature of the revolt. A revolt of the oppressed nothing more and nothing less.

[Amun]

The revolt in Syria is not Islamist at all, though there is some Islamist factions in it. The revolt occurred due to brutal repression of the majority and some minority populations. In fact there is many groups fighting against Assad. The fight almost have no Islamist overtones, but it does certainly have sectarian and tribal ones. This was the doing of Assad himself, if he was truly about equal representation, the situation would not have occurred. As well the tribal population is angry and wants to avenge the loss that occurred during the protest, because Assad forces were in their areas, often killing children just to send the message. The revolt is complex and can not be put in the Islamist lens. The Assadites and their supporters are using the term Islamist like it's a boogeyman in order to take away from the true nature of the revolt. A revolt of the oppressed nothing more and nothing less.

I think Jabhit e-lNusra plays a huge role among the rebels and they are directly funded by Saudis.
Anyway it seems that there is an intention form the G8 (the group of 8) to support an internal military coup from inside Assad's military leaders.

[Baluarte]

I think Jabhit e-lNusra plays a huge role among the rebels and they are directly funded by Saudis.
Anyway it seems that there is an intention form the G8 (the group of 8) to support an internal military coup from inside Assad's military leaders.

In every single case when the FSA and Al Nusrah have had differences, the latter always gets the upper hand.

I mean, read the reports:

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The Guardian reports that large numbers of fighters and even entire units from the Free Syrian Army are defecting en masse to the Al Nusrah Front, al Qaeda's affiliate in Syria. One FSA commander reported that more than 3,000 of the group's fighters have defected to Al Nusrah over the past several months. Read the full article; here is an excerpt:

Illustrating their plight, FSA commanders say that entire units have gone over to al-Nusra while others have lost a quarter or more of their strength to them recently.

"Fighters feel proud to join al-Nusra because that means power and influence," said Abu Ahmed, a former teacher from Deir Hafer who now commands an FSA brigade in the countryside near Aleppo. "Al-Nusra fighters rarely withdraw for shortage of ammunition or fighters and they leave their target only after liberating it," he added. "They compete to carry out martyrdom [suicide] operations."

Abu Ahmed and others say the FSA has lost fighters to al-Nusra in Aleppo, Hama, Idlib and Deir al-Zor and the Damascus region. Ala'a al-Basha, commander of the Sayyida Aisha brigade, warned the FSA chief of staff, General Salim Idriss, about the issue last month. Basha said 3,000 FSA men have joined al-Nusra in the last few months, mainly because of a lack of weapons and ammunition. FSA fighters in the Banias area were threatening to leave because they did not have the firepower to stop the massacre in Bayda, he said.

The FSA's Ahrar al-Shimal brigade joined al-Nusra en masse while the Sufiyan al-Thawri brigade in Idlib lost 65 of its fighters to al-Nusra a few months ago for lack of weapons. According to one estimate the FSA has lost a quarter of all its fighters.

Al-Nusra has members serving undercover with FSA units so they can spot potential recruits, according to Abu Hassan of the FSA's al-Tawhid Lions brigade.

Ideology is another powerful factor. "Fighters are heading to al-Nusra because of its Islamic doctrine, sincerity, good funding and advanced weapons," said Abu Islam of the FSA's al-Tawhid brigade in Aleppo. "My colleague who was fighting with the FSA's Ahrar Suriya asked me: 'I'm fighting with Ahrar Suriya brigade, but I want to know if I get killed in a battle, am I going to be considered as a martyr or not?' It did not take him long to quit FSA and join al-Nusra. He asked for a sniper rifle and got one immediately."

Keep in mind that earlier this year, the US government estimated that the Al Nusrah Front had more than 10,000 fighters in its ranks.

Despite the growing popularity of the Al Nusrah Front and mass defections of Free Syrian Army fighters and units to Al Nusrah, as well as top FSA leaders expressing their support for the al Qaeda group, the US government seems determined to fund the FSA and the umbrella Syrian Opposition Council, whose leader opposed the US's designation of Al Nusrah as a terrorist group. With mass defections of FSA forces to Al Nusrah, there is no better way to ensure that US funds and weapons will fall into al Qaeda's hands.

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Even for those people in the West that naively support the rebellion, it's worth asking: What would happen after Assad was overthrown? Will a thousand strong jihadist militia put down their weapons and say: "Oh ok, now we help to build a Western style democracy".

Please....

[Amun]

^^ Good article, but i still think that USA funds Jabhit El-nusra indirectly through Saudis. They did that with Alqeda in Afghanistan and they will do again in Syria

[StonyArabia]

I think Jabhit e-lNusra plays a huge role among the rebels and they are directly funded by Saudis.
Anyway it seems that there is an intention form the G8 (the group of 8) to support an internal military coup from inside Assad's military leaders.

Yes there is, but at the end of the day the revolt has many factions, and the goal is to end to Assad. Assad is now in a ship in the sea. This in itself tells that Assad knows that he is losing. This why Iran and Hezbollah keep pumping up Men. It does not matter who Jabit El-Nursa or even their ideology, as long they are within the rebel factions that is against Assad. Chaos comes from revolt, and it can be cooled down afterwards. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Jordan all have stake in Assad losing power, because this means Iran's influence on the Middle East has ended, and Hezbollah has gone to dust which is one of the main goal of many Syrian Sunnis, and the Syrian Desert tribes.

[Philo]

Excellent News. Hezbollah should be weakened at all costs. A weak Hezbollah, means a weak Assad and Iran. Once Assad falls, Hezbollah is gone into the dust of the ground, Iranian influence in the Middle East would be weakened which would be in the best interest of the Arab world.

I would not go that far to say that once Assad falls Hezoballah will follow. But yes, it is true that if the Alawites are weakened in Syria, Hezoballah will also be weakened.

You realize that once Iran gets a nuke...it will Nuke Saudi Arabia (and not Israel as people think?)

Iran will destroy the Al Saud someday, I know it...and it will be the beginning of the end, because the petrodollar will be buried that day. And Sheikhdoms/Emirates, etc...will all become part of an Iranian ruled caliphate under the "Wilayat Al Faqih"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilayat-e_Faqih
Is that what you want?

Iran will probably not nuke Israel because if they do it's mutual annhilation assured - Israel will nuke Iran back and probaobly take down the whole ME.
While if they nuke Sauds, they are not very threatened by nukes, only by possible USA intervention, and I say possible because US leaders probably won't have the balls to go into a war with Iran.
And most importantly, they hate Saudi/Sunnis more than they hate Israel.

The revolt in Syria is not Islamist at all, though there is some Islamist factions in it. The revolt occurred due to brutal repression of the majority and some minority populations. In fact there is many groups fighting against Assad. The fight almost have no Islamist overtones, but it does certainly have sectarian and tribal ones. This was the doing of Assad himself, if he was truly about equal representation, the situation would not have occurred. As well the tribal population is angry and wants to avenge the loss that occurred during the protest, because Assad forces were in their areas, often killing children just to send the message. The revolt is complex and can not be put in the Islamist lens. The Assadites and their supporters are using the term Islamist like it's a boogeyman in order to take away from the true nature of the revolt. A revolt of the oppressed nothing more and nothing less.

BS. Shia vs Sunna. It's that simple. No need to complexify it. Unless of course you have an agenda