Poll: Is Spain less civilised now or was it less civilised under Moorish rule?

[Anglojew]

Its a stupid question meant to be one of your 30 a day Trolling on Spain threads. Posting cherry picked "evidence". Post crime rates compared to other European countries, rates of college graduations, rates of prison times and prisoner percentages compared to other countries, homicide rates, drug use, etc.

[Anglojew]

Also notice his intentional wording:

Spain was less civilised under Moorish rule
Spain is less civilised today
Spain is just as uncivilised today as in the past

At the very least the first option could say "Spain is more civilized today than under Moorish rule" but he won't because, even though they say basically the same thing, the psychological effect of his wording has you hanging on "being less civilized"

Don't think he didn't word it that way on purpose.

Should I change it to "Is Spain more uncivilised now or was it more uncivilised under Moorish rule?"

[Anglojew]

I'm sorry, but your knowledge of Spain is very poor, if you want talk about our history, you have to do it correctly, properly, if you want to be taken seriously.

How can you say the Moors never ruled Spain?

[Anglojew]

[riverman]

Simple answer, I don't know, however the question is not entirely without merit IMO.

[Lábaru]

How can you say the Moors never ruled Spain?

That's the Iberian Peninsula and only a part of the current Spain, my land was never ruled by Moors, you can not find any reliable source that says that nonsense.

[shade]

Spain has got a $1.5 trillion economy, making it one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world. It is a leading tourist destination and a leader in agricultural exports, motor vehicle production, and so on. University of Salamanca is the 5th oldest continuously functioning university in the world, and it was built not by the Muslim cockroaches who have been misrepresented by revisionists as being civilized, but under King Alfonso X.

Also some questionable historical "facts":

In 711 Muslim forces invaded and in seven years conquered the Iberian peninsula.

The Muslims invaded, but did NOT conquer all of Iberia and control it for 700 years. Rather, there was a conflict between Christians and Muslims for control of Iberia, and the Christians of course prevailed.

The kingdom of Asturia was founded ca. 718 after the Muslims were defeated by the local Asturians, which initiated the process of liberating Spain and expelling the Muslim cockroaches. The Navarre kingdom was founded in 824, and its kings went on to unite with Castile, Leon, and Aragon. And in 1037, Ferdinand united Castile and Leon. By 1100, most of Iberia had been liberated and was under Christian control:

It became one of the great Muslim civilisations; reaching its summit with the Umayyad caliphate of Cordovain the tenth century.

This ugly Muslim chauvinism of the allegedly great Muslim civilization is contrary to the historical facts. The Christians, not the Muslims, are the ones who have constructed just about every aspect of Spanish culture.

The National Library in Madrid, the Prado museum, Complutense University of Madrid - these were all built by Christians, not by the superior enlightened Muslims. El Greco, Cervantes, and other Spanish cultural figures, these guys were Christians, not Muslim.

[Anglojew]

That's the Iberian Peninsula and only a part of the current Spain, my land was never ruled by Moors, you can not find any reliable source that says that nonsense.

Where is your land?

[Anglojew]

Spain has got a $1.5 trillion economy, making it one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world. It is a leading tourist destination and a leader in agricultural exports, motor vehicle production, and so on. University of Salamanca is the 5th oldest continuously functioning university in the world, and it was built not by the Muslim cockroaches who have been misrepresented by revisionists as being civilized, but under King Alfonso X.

Spain's economy is the same size as Australia's but with twice the population.

[Methmatician]

How is HIV prevalence an indicator of being uncivilised?