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    What the hell are you talking about? In your very own link it is stated that Russia accounts for merely 15.6% of export and 16.3% of import (most of it being just raw materials like gas, oil & metals), while "the EU is the biggest trade partner of Lithuania with a 58% of total imports and 64% of total exports during the first ten months of the year 2009".


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    count belarus into it and its not that of a proportion how they try to portray it.
    Count Belarus into what - Russia? LOL Belarus is perceived differently than Russia in LT and rightfully so, think of the history. In fact, it is one of the main goals of Lithuanian government - to intensify the cooperation with Scandinavian countries and Belarus, in order to be less dependent on the big bullies (RU & PL).


    Quote Originally Posted by sevruk View Post
    and you vote for the preservation of Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant. EU does not care. Will do what EU says
    You don't know what you're talking about. The previous referendum was invalid because less than half of the voters showed up, while this referendum is valid - the turnout was over a half.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuan...ferendum,_2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Pure ja View Post
    You are right about the nuclear reactor and agriculture, but likely wrong about fishing permits.
    Fish populations all over the world are overcaught, seas are becoming more littered and poisoned. The decline of open sea fishing is inevitable.
    If the decline of fishing was shared by all EU countries, I wouldn't have anything to say against this. However, as it stands now, EU is subsidizing the cutting down of ships in the Baltics (Latvia too, not only Lithuania), so that the older members could have their fishing quotas intact and the Baltics would be turned from producers into consumers.
    That is by no means fair - especially not for a country where people consume so much fish as in Lithuania (Lithuanian diet is more depended on fish than Estonian is - maybe that's why it's hard for you to comprehend why that would be a problem).
    Last edited by lI; 07-01-2013 at 03:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by link View Post
    Count Belarus into what - Russia? LOL Belarus is perceived differently than Russia in LT and rightfully so, think of the history. In fact, it is one of the main goals of Lithuanian government - to intensify the cooperation with Scandinavian countries and Belarus, in order to be less dependent on the big bullies (RU & PL).
    big bullies? So every county which has more than 20 million people is a big bully?

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    Quote Originally Posted by link View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? In your very own link it is stated that Russia accounts for merely 15.6% of export and 16.3% of import (most of it being just raw materials like gas, oil & metals), while "the EU is the biggest trade partner of Lithuania with a 58% of total imports and 64% of total exports during the first ten months of the year 2009".
    yeah yeah you need to count them all together against Russia like always. Also imports are 32% the wiki article was wrong

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2061.html#lh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russia View Post
    yeah yeah you need to count them all together against Russia like always. Also imports are 32% the wiki article was wrong

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2061.html#lh
    what year is that? before or after the closing of the power-plant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russia View Post
    big bullies? So every county which has more than 20 million people is a big bully?
    No. Every country which has more than 20 million people is big.
    Whether it is also a bully, is something that's independent of size. There can also be "small bullies" but, luckily, Lithuania doesn't border any of those.

    Quote Originally Posted by Russia View Post
    yeah yeah you need to count them all together against Russia like always.
    Oh, sorry, according to you, we need to count Belarus together with Russia but not all EU countries together despite of the later being part of the same geopolitical unit that's even more integrated than NVS.
    Last edited by lI; 07-02-2013 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by link View Post
    Oh, sorry, according to you, we need to count Belarus together with Russia but not all EU countries together despite of the later being part of the same geopolitical unit that's even more integrated than NVS.
    you can pretty much say that belarus is more integrated into russia than countries in the EU because it has the same culture unlike greeks and germans or you.

    Quote Originally Posted by link View Post
    No. Every country which has more than 20 million people is big.
    Whether it is also a bully, is something that's independent of size. There can also be "small bullies" but, luckily, Lithuania doesn't border any of those.
    Then name one small bully? It has always to be the big countries for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guinevere View Post
    what year is that? before or after the closing of the power-plant?
    its 2011 it shows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russia View Post
    Then name one small bully? It has always to be the big countries for obvious reasons.
    Serbia, of course - that other derzhava.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russia View Post
    Then name one small bully? It has always to be the big countries for obvious reasons.
    How about Israel? Its population is nowhere near 20 million that you named as a benchmark for a "big country" and yet I wouldn't want to have that country for a neighbor:


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    you can pretty much say that belarus is more integrated into russia than countries in the EU because it has the same culture unlike greeks and germans or you.
    You are the last person to talk about culture. Belarusians themselves do not think that Belarus has the same culture as Russia.
    And it would be very arguable whether it shares more similarities with Russia than with the neighboring EU countries - namely PL, LT & east LV. After all, its been in the same political unit as us (rather than Russia) for many ages during the times of the Grand Dutchy.
    But if you want to dig deeper, tell me, how many of these instruments are still in use in Russia? All five are in Latvia, four also in Lithuania.

    If you think that German culture is like another world to Balts or Belarusians - you better think again. Why do you think country dance music mainly consists of Waltzes, Polkas, Cadrilles, Ländlers in this region? Why do you think Karobushkas are so unpopular within the territory of the former Dutchy? Why does the folk clothing (even in Belarus) mostly consist of skirts and Biedermeier or Renaissance type vests rather than the Russian-like sarafans? Ever since the Medieval period the cultural influence was mostly coming from the West via East Prussia because what was coming from the East was not regarded as prestigious and the reaction was often rejection.
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