View Poll Results: Colonianism. What do we think of it.

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  • We should recolonize our colonies. Explain why.

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  • We should establish close political/economic/cultural ties with our colonies, Explain why and how.

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  • Other. Then what is your idea ?

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  • Colonialism is bad. Anyways they dumped us- time to move on. Explain why.

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  • Colonialism is bad but perhaps we could still work together with some. Explain why.

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    Here is my view on the matter. We Dutch obviously had a colonial empire and we should build on the idea of a cultural union like the Francophonie or the Nederlandse Taalunie.

    I think that first the Netherlands Antilles (whether they like it or not) should become independent real soon and those Antilleans living here should be returned home. And we should either provide the highly skilled with commercial investments in some universities and businesses there or arrange contracts for them in let's say countries like Brazil.

    I think that the Dutch language is worth preserving- here and overseas so the Dutch should maintain the language union and regulate the language in the same way as done now- also preserving Dutch culture overseas. We could also invite South Africa (where large groups of peoples speak Afrikaans- closely related to Dutch) to join that language union. After all- if there would be foreign loanwords entering our tongue they better come from a related language.

    When it comes to Indonesia- we were kicked out violently and hence neglected our ties. Now it is time to work on those ties again. I think that the Dutch should make it attractive for Indonesians to learn Dutch by stimulating their economy and spend a lot of time preserving colonial heritage, whether cultural, religious, linguistic or architectural or in the cuisine and start influencing Indonesian (Islamic/ Asian) culture. After all Indonesia is a large Muslim country and if one could improve our ties, preserve Dutch heritage AND weaken Islam then that is too good an opportunity.
    Perhaps the Dutch language could make a re-appearance in Indonesian schools and colleges, Dutch political and social ideas could influence the Indonesians for the better and Dutch finance could make the economy more profitable. However- it would be foolish to invest taxpayer money on such an undertaking so it could be better to leave the diplomacy to the government and the investment to cooperations, universities and non-profit organizations.










    It's very clear to see that this all was once "Dutch soil"



    Dutch as a primary language is being used in the Netherlands and Flanders, parts of French Flanders, Suriname (primary language along with for instance Sratong) and the Netherlands Antilles (along with Papiamento and English). The related language Afrikaans is being spoken in South Africa and Namibia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    Seriously though, as far as forming close ties with any nation, George Washington said it better than I can:
    It's easy to say that, but we obviously need friends in the world and what better countries than those we (used to) share so much with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seuthanan View Post
    It's easy to say that, but we obviously need friends in the world and what better countries than those we (used to) share so much with?
    A friend is one thing, but an ally is another. There is, in my opinion, no other nation worth going to war for. Such allegiances have plagued us with war after unnecessary war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    A friend is one thing, but an ally is another. There is, in my opinion, no other nation worth going to war for. Such allegiances have plagued us with war after unnecessary war.
    It doesn't necessarily have to be a military alliance. It could also mean more economic, diplomatic and cultural exchange and cooperation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    It doesn't necessarily have to be a military alliance. It could also mean more economic, diplomatic and cultural exchange and cooperation.
    That sounds fine, and I'd of course, wish that these types of ties were stronger with Canada, England, the Netherlands, Germany, etc. than with any other nations, BUT I'd still like for such "friendships" to be non-binding in nature and explicitly non-military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    That sounds fine, and I'd of course, wish that these types of ties were stronger with Canada, England, the Netherlands, Germany, etc. than with any other nations, BUT I'd still like for such "friendships" to be non-binding in nature and explicitly non-military.
    I have to say that I wholeheartedly agree with Psychonaut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    That sounds fine, and I'd of course, wish that these types of ties were stronger with Canada, England, the Netherlands, Germany, etc. than with any other nations, BUT I'd still like for such "friendships" to be non-binding in nature and explicitly non-military.
    And when we become so interdependent that their wars must become our wars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nodens View Post
    And when we become so interdependent that their wars must become our wars?
    Can you clarify? I know you must understand that Psy was saying that we must avoid all military alliances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seuthanan View Post
    Can you clarify? I know you must understand that Psy was saying that we must avoid all military alliances.
    Any significant degree of cooperation risks our economic and geopolitical interests aligning so closely that even a non-military alliance becomes a de-facto military alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nodens View Post
    And when we become so interdependent that their wars must become our wars?
    Have no doubt, I lean very far in the Isolationist camp. But what trading partners we are to have, it would be good for them to be those we have historic ties to.

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