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    Qasr Ibrim (Arabic: قصر ابريم‎) is an archeological site in Lower Nubia. It was originally a major city perched on a cliff above the Nile, but the flooding of Lake Nasser after the construction of the Aswan High Dam transformed it into an island and flooded its outskirts. Qasr Ibrim is the only major archaeological site in Lower Nubia to have survived the Nile floods. Both prior to and after the Nile floods, it has remained a major site for archaeological investigations.

    Anyway the Ottomans invaded this island in the 16th century and later left hundreds of Bosniak soldiers to guard the teritory. The descendants of these Bosniaks are still living in Derr and Ibrim.

    In the 7th century the Arabs who had conquered Egypt penetrated into Lower Nubia, where the two Jawabareh and Al-Gharbiya tribes became powerful, and amalgamated with the Nubas of that district. Their further progress south was barred by the Christian kings of Dongola (q.v.) until the 14th century, when the Arabs became masters of the whole region. Still later another element was added to the population in the introduction by the Turkish masters of Egypt of a number of Bosniaks. These Bosniaks (Kalaji as they called themselves) settled in the country and intermarried with the Arabs and Nubians, their descendants still holding lands between Assuan and Derr. Hence it is that the Nubians of this district, fairest of all the race, still claim Arab and Osmanli (Bosniak) descent. - From Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1911.

    Some quotes from** “Travels in Nubia” by John Lewis Burckhardt**

    The people of Ibrim are often at war with the governors of Nubia, and although comparatively few in number, are a match for the latter; being all well provided with fire arms.** They are ‘white’, compared with the Nubians, and still retain the features of their ancestors, the Bosniak soldiers who were sent to garrison Ibrim by the great Sultan Selym.** They all dress in coarse linen gowns, and most of them wear something like a turban: “We are Bosniaks,” they say, “and not Noubas.” As they are not under absolute subjection to their Aga, and independant of every other power, quarrels are very frequent among them.

    The Djowabere having nearly subdued the Gharbye, the latter sent an embassy to Constantinople, in the reign of the great Sultan Selym, to seek aid against their enemies, and they succeeded in procuring from the Sultan a body of several hundred Bosniak soldiers, under a commander named Hassan Coosy. By their means the Djowabere and people of Dóngola were driven out of Nubia, into the latter country.

    The descendants of such of the Bosniak soldiers as intermarried with the Gharbye and Djowabere tribes still occupy the territories assigned to their ancestors at Assouan, Ibrim, and Say; and they continue to enjoy immunity from taxes and contributions of every kind. They call themselves Kaladshy, or the people of the castles, but are distinguished by the Nubians by the appellation of Osmanli. They have long forgotten their native language; but their features still denote a northern origin, and their skin is of a light colour, while that of the Nubians is almost black. They are independent of the governors of Nubia, who are extremely jealous of them, and are often at open war with them. They are governed by their own Agas, who still boast of the Firmauns that render them accountable only to the Sultan.

    The Bosniak soldiers built the three castles, or rather repaired the existing fabrics, at Assouan, Ibrim, and Say; and those who garrisoned the castles obtained certain privileges for themselves, and for such of their descendants as should continue to occupy the castles, and the territory attached to them; one of these privileges was an exemption from all kind of land tax, which Selym had then for the first time imposed throughout his dominions; and as the country was thought incapable of affording food sufficient for the soldiers, an annual pension was likewise assigned to them out of the Sultan’s treasury at Cairo.

    Some of the women who followed our friends to the boat, though in complexion as black as the rest, had light blue eyes and frizzy red hair, the effect of which was indescribably frightful. Both here and at Ibrim there are many of these “fair” families, who claim to be descended from Bosniak fathers stationed in Nubia at the time of the conquest of Sultan Selim in A.D. 1517. They are immensely proud of their alien blood, and think themselves quite beautiful - “Back Through Nubia” by Amelia Ann Blandford Edwards, 1891.

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    Hrulj, what about getting Crno-Bosnjaci to Bosnia this time, do the qualify for immigration

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    LOL.

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    This is how the reason why some male Bosniaks went so far South in the Africa.

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    Battle of Ridaniya

    The battle was fought on January 22, 1517 in Egypt. The Ottoman forces of Selim I defeated the Mamluk forces under Tuman bay II. The Turks marched into Cairo, and the severed head of Tuman bay II, Egypt’s last Mamluk Sultan, was hung over an entrance gate in the Al Ghourieh quarter of Cairo.
    The Ottoman grand vizier, Hadım Sinan Pasha, was killed in action, after which sultan Selim said, "We won the battle, but we lost Sinan." Sinan was Bosniak.



    Mamluks werent Turkic Kipchaks anymore like Baibars or Kutuz, Circassians took the control for a very long time in 16th century Egypt. After Ottomans defeated the Mamluks in Marj Dabiq, the way for Cairo was open for Ottomans.

    Tuman bay built strong entrenchment in Ridaniya which is next to Cairo, his defense line was strengthened by the sophisticate artillery he received from Venetians. However the Mamluk defense line wasnt mobile and Egyptian Mamluk artillery was fixed and pointed to east. After exhausting desert march, the Ottoman forces led by Selim I walked around Mount Al Mukaddam and stormed the Mamluk entrenchment from South. Mamluks were unable to use their artillery and were quickly routed.

    Mamluk Sultan who understood he will lose the battle took his best soldiers and stormed Ottoman headquarters tents to kill Selim I. They failed to kill Selim but killed his vizier Sinan Pasha. Later Tuman bay fled to upper Egypt and started guerilla warfare against Ottomans with his Circassian warriors despite Ottomans promised all surrendering Mamluks will be forgiven.

    The Ottoman army entered Cairo three days later. There was no resistance from the local folks however there were bloody street combats against resisting Circassian Mamluks loyal to Tuman bay who were massively slain especially inside the citadel. Cairo greeted his new hero Selim.


    Illustration Ottoman Turks in Cairo


    Caliph Al-Mutawakkil III, who had followed in Selim's train, led the Public service invoking blessing on his name. The Caliph's prayer is thus given by Ibn Ayas;
    "O Lord, uphold the Sultan, Monarch both of land and the two Seas; Conqueror of both Hosts; King of both Iraqs; Minister of both Holy cities; the great Prince Selim Shah! Grant him Thy heavenly aid and glorious victories ! O King of the present and the future, Lord of the Universe!"



    Tuman bay II was later caught and was hung over an entrance gate in the Al Ghourieh quarter of Cairo on 13 April 1517.
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-thread/page11
    Probably they were inside troops who tracked the Mamluk sultan in Upper Egypt.

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    The Turks marched into Cairo, and the severed head of Tuman bay II, Egypt’s last Mamluk Sultan, was hung over an entrance gate in the Al Ghourieh quarter of Cairo.
    Poor guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Poor guy
    In this time of history it was standard, also likely there was propaganda in the Cairo saying he would come from upper Egypt with huge army. He also tried to kill the sultan and succeeded to kill the grand vizier.

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    Only actual Ottoman soldier descendants in egypt are hungarians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarab_people

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