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    "It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race."
    (Isokratis, To Philip 127)

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    Very important for Bulgarians to memorize:
    "The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same language, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day."
    (Titus Livius, From the Foundation of the City 31)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voskos View Post
    Very important for Bulgarians to memorize:
    "The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same language, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day."
    (Titus Livius, From the Foundation of the City 31)
    Titus Livius lived around 64 or 59 BC – AD 12 or 17) and by that time the Macedonian elite was already Hellenized but the ordinary people certainly not!

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    The elite was not hellenized , it was Greek. Probably northwest Greeks from the Greek-Albanian border. The locals were paeonians, thracians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voskos View Post
    The elite was not hellenized , it was Greek. Probably northwest Greeks from the Greek-Albanian border. The locals were paeonians, thracians.
    If you take a look of the post I quoted from Quora you will see why many historians have doubts of the elite being Greek originally.

    Many historians think that the hellenizaton process started with Alexander I the Phillhellen who came up with the idea of Argead origin of his ancestors in order to claim Greek origin and to participate in the Olimpic games.

    Then if you think about it, why was he called a Phillhellen?

    A Phillhellen is someone who is a friend and admirer of Greeks.
    There isn't much logic of giving the name Phillhellen to someone who is a Greek himself.

    Then you have Demostenes, calling Philip the Second and the Macedonians Barbarian...

    Not very Greek gesture to someone of his own race isn't it?

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    That theory is obsolete until some other language is attested. Its hard to imagine alexander inventing a new language just because he liked Greeks.

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    So this is how a bunch of Orthodox Slavs prove they are Macedonians: constantly posting about how Ancient Macedonia was Hellenized
    How about posting about why and how long you have that Macedonian identity?

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    Yep.they hate greece more than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    And Indians can speak and write in English. So they are pure Englishmen are they?
    The question is what is the official language they use. Anyway, thanks for proving my point that the Slavophone Greeks are Greeks because they feel so, irrespectively of their language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    That guy is a Cossack i believe. At least that's the pic that came up on Google images when i searched it.
    For sure he isn't a Macedonian, and he could easily be a Bulgar. Those ethnic groups shared many traits, and in the end of the day this is a painting, not a real photograph.

    There's no pretending to be Macedonian here mate. It's what my grandparents called themselves, and the land they were born. They were told by their mothers and fathers that they are Macedonians. This is how it works.
    That happened only during the last half of the 19th century and until the first half of the 20th century. On the other hand, we have been Macedonians a few thousand years now...

    Now tell me, are your ancestors Albanians, Turks, Macedonians or Gypsies? Because they sure weren't 'Greek'.
    I am Greek with minor Bulgarian ancestry, and it is written in my info box several years now.

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