Do modern Macedonians have some Ancient Macedonian ancestry?

[Hrant Dink]

And Indians can speak and write in English. So they are pure Englishmen are they?

Stupid argument. The Indians learned English because they were colonized by the British, yet most retained their Indian identity. The ancient Macedonians were the all-conquering colonizers, not the colonized. Naturally they spread their own language, which is why so many non-Greeks under Macedonian rule learned Greek.

The idea that the ancient Macedonians had their own non-Greek language, never wrote it down, and never made it the lingua franca in their own empire is a story that only a complete idiot could believe.

Titus Livius lived around 64 or 59 BC – AD 12 or 17) and by that time the Macedonian elite was already Hellenized but the ordinary people certainly not!

So by this theory, when St. Paul went to Macedonia and preached to "ordinary people" in Greek, nobody understood him!

Makes perfect retarded sense.

[Crn Volk]

The idea that the ancient Macedonians had their own non-Greek language, never wrote it down, and never made it the lingua franca in their own empire is a story that only a complete idiot could believe.
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Well the other Balkan peoples of the time also did not have writing and little is known of their languages as a result. Hell, even the Paeonians minted Greek language coins. Were they Greek too?

[Voskos]

Interesting wiki article, from which we learn 3 things:

1)Macedonia was ethnically mixed but
2)There was a Greek presence(Bottiaeans)
3)Those Greek tribes were southern Greek
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottiaeans

According to Strabo, Bottiaeans were Cretan immigrants from Iapygia,[1] so named after their leader Βόττων, Botton,[2] in pre-Argead Macedonia (Emathia), most of which, as Strabo says, was held by Bottiaeans and Thracians, as well Paionians, Illyrians and Epirotes. According to Plutarch,[3] they were Athenian slaves of Minoan Crete:

[Petros Houhoulis]

Well the other Balkan peoples of the time also did not have writing and little is known of their languages as a result. Hell, even the Paeonians minted Greek language coins. Were they Greek too?

The Paeonians could actually have been Greek. According to some wikipedia article they were not, but Scholarios Chiotis (who is not known for nationalism or fabricating fact) pointed out to me that their non-Greekness was determined by proxy, their supposed relation to another non-Greek people, and that in fact, they were most probably Greek. In any case, the best way to determine their language (because it would be impossible to ascribe ethnicity to them based upon what we know) would be to check if their names were genuinely Greek or just Hellenized by adopting the -os or -is ending.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Interesting wiki article, from which we learn 3 things:

1)Macedonia was ethnically mixed but
2)There was a Greek presence(Bottiaeans)
3)Those Greek tribes were southern Greek
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottiaeans

Those "founder myths" are not very reliable. Given that Bottiaea included the original capital of Macedonia, Aigae, I would suggest that the Bottiaeans were basically descended from Brygians (whom we know inhabited Aigae when the Macedonians conquered it, and created their kingdom from there) and the Boii, who were spread from Bavaria perhaps all the way to the Balkans (mount Voion, Boeotians, e.t.c., e.t.c.):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottiaea#Towns

The historic cities of Bottiaea were Aigae (Vergina) first capital of Macedon, Aloros, Pella (second capital of Macedon), Edessa, Mieza, Atalanta, Gortynia, Kyrros, Skydra, Ichnae and Beroea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boii

The Boii (Latin plural, singular Boius; Ancient Greek: Βόιοι) were a Gallic tribe of the later Iron Age, attested at various times in Cisalpine Gaul (northern Italy), Pannonia (Hungary), parts of Bavaria, in and around Bohemia (after whom the region is named in most languages; comprising the bulk of the Czech Republic), parts of Poland, and Gallia Narbonensis. In addition the archaeological evidence indicates that in the 2nd century BC Celts expanded from Bohemia through the Kłodzko Valley into Silesia, now part of Poland and the Czech Republic.^[1]They first appear in history in connection with the Gallic invasion of north Italy, 390 BC, when they made the Etruscan city of Felsina their new capital, Bononia (Bologna). After a series of wars they were decisively beaten by the Romans in a Battle of Mutina (193 BC) and their territory became part of the Roman province of Cisalpine Gaul. According to Strabo, writing two centuries after the events, rather than being destroyed by the Romans like their Celtic neighbours,

[T]he Boii were merely driven out of the regions they occupied; and after migrating to the regions round about the Ister, lived with the Taurisci, and carried on war against the Daci until they perished, tribe and all — and thus they left their country, which was a part of Illyria, to their neighbours as a pasture-ground for sheep.^[2]

Around 60 BC, a group of Boii joined the Helvetiis' ill-fated attempt to conquer land in western Gaul and were defeated by Julius Caesar, along with their allies, in the Battle of Bibracte. Caesar settled the remnants of that group in Gorgobina, from where they sent two thousand to Vercingetorix's aid at the Battle of Alesia six years later. The eastern Boii on the Danube were incorporated into the Roman Empire in 8 AD.

[Voskos]

What do the Boii have to do with Boeotians though other than their names being similar?

[Dianatomia]

Stupid argument. The Indians learned English because they were colonized by the British, yet most retained their Indian identity. The ancient Macedonians were the all-conquering colonizers, not the colonized. Naturally they spread their own language, which is why so many non-Greeks under Macedonian rule learned Greek.

The idea that the ancient Macedonians had their own non-Greek language, never wrote it down, and never made it the lingua franca in their own empire is a story that only a complete idiot could believe.

Well the other Balkan peoples of the time also did not have writing and little is known of their languages as a result. Hell, even the Paeonians minted Greek language coins. Were they Greek too?

The idea that the Ancient Macedonians would implement a foreign language (Greek) as lingua Franca of their empire sounds rather preposterous. This is very hard to grasp. But even more remarkably, aside from that, one also has to believe that the Ancient Macedonians have never left any form of evidence of their material language and culture which would supposedly have been non-Greek. While we do have in fact have considerable evidence of the Non-Greek nature of the Thracian and the Illyrian languages. Other Balkan peoples with no writing of their own used the Greek alphabet, but which have never had an empire of their own.

[catgeorge]

Mt Olympus is in Macedonia - end of story.

Capital of Macedonia is Greek not a bastardized Albo-Serb-Bulgar communist dumpfest that has never been a part of Macedonia in Skopia.

[Petros Houhoulis]

What do the Boii have to do with Boeotians though other than their names being similar?

Good question. They could have some common roots. If the Brygians were descending from the Lusatian culture between Poland and the Baltic states, why couldn't the Boeotians be descended from some group of Boii who moved south?

There isn't much evidence though, mostly speculation.

[Crn Volk]

Good question. They could have some common roots. If the Brygians were descending from the Lusatian culture between Poland and the Baltic states, why couldn't the Boeotians be descended from some group of Boii who moved south?

There isn't much evidence though, mostly speculation.

Boii is a word for war or fight in a few Slavic languages. Just sayin