Do you consider the Komi people of Arctic Russia to be European/White?

[Ülev]

I almost forgot that user, now I know that he existed, but don't remember how he was

[Jana]

Some Southern Europeans are more than 20% MENA. Sicilians, Maltese and some mainland South Italians for example are halfway between North Italians and Levantines.

Maltese yes. Sicilians and South Italians aren't that much MENA on average, don't be fooled by Sikeliot posting who cherrypicked most Levantine-shifted individuals.
I would say Maltese are borderline southern Europeans, and Komi are borderline northern Europeans.

[Smeagol]

Maltese yes. Sicilians and South Italians aren't that much MENA on average, don't be fooled by Sikeliot posting who cherrypicked most Levantine-shifted individuals.

Sicilians aren't that genetically diverse that the more Levantine shifted individuals will be much different from the others, but in terms of mainland South Italians I'm referring mainly only to Calabrians. Greek Islanders are also similar.

[black hole]

I almost forgot that user, now I know that he existed, but don't remember how he was

He was a ginger with blue eyes, often broke forum rules. Belongs to Mari ethnicity, now he became a Komi, both are Uralics.

[Dragoon]

Dont know (what is there genetic/ancestry?), but probably they fit both..

[Ymyyakhtakh]

They are White, but genetically they have too much Siberian admixture to be proper European. If southern Europeans were 20% MENA, they wouldn't be considered proper Euro either.

Lol. Southern Europeans are predominantly ENF = MENA = not white.

In the admixture results from Yunusbayev et al. 2015 below, at K=4, K=5, and K=6, the only white component is the dark blue one, which is maximal in either Lithuanians, Karelians, or Vepsians. Its proportion is about 70% in Komis but less than half in Italians and Greeks.

[Root]

I still can't figure out the definition of this "white" terminology.. white by skin color or culturally you mean? Yup, they're definitely Europeans only geographically

[Jana]

Lol. Southern Europeans are predominantly ENF = MENA = not white.

No. I speak about recent MENA, nor farmer. Modern MENA are very far from Anatolian farmer.
And you mistakenly imply I don't know Komi have much more Euro HG than southern Europeans.

I said they are borderline northerners. Maltese are borderline southerners. What is not clear here ?

[Laag]

They are White, but genetically they have too much Siberian admixture to be proper European. If southern Europeans were 20% MENA, they wouldn't be considered proper Euro either.

Perhaps you mean Komi-Permyaks? Komi-Permyaks are close to the Mari and Udmurts, Komi-Zyrians are close to North Russians. In Russia, by the Komi mean only Komi-Zyrians. They speak the same language but are considered two different peoples.

[Jana]

Perhaps you mean Komi-Permyaks? Komi-Permyaks are close to the Mari and Udmurts, Komi-Zyrians are close to North Russians. In Russia, by the Komi mean only Komi-Zyrians. They speak the same language but are considered two different peoples.

How much Siberian both groups have ?