Do you consider the Komi people of Arctic Russia to be European/White?

[Duffmannn]

I only move by genetics, not phenotype.

Have the Komis been genetic tested?

[Erronkari]

Do someone have any Komi Gedmatch test???
I tried to find in the net some Komi or Udmurt tests but it was impossible.
I tried in Anthrogenica too and the result was completely negative.
I only found Sami results, but probably they are very different to Komi ones.
IDK, but for sure it would be very interesting.
May be you, Leto, or Mr. Mlucasz???
Thank you for your attention!

[Laag]

How much Siberian both groups have ?

I have no data.

[Jana]

I have no data.

They may be between 5-20%
I think North Russians and Mordvins are only 5% or so, but groups like Mari are already 20% if I am not mistaken. Chuvash even more.

[Laag]

I mean phenotypically Komi-Permyaks are close to the Mari and Udmurts, Komi-Zyrians phenotypically are close to North Russians. I didn't mean genetics.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

No. I speak about recent MENA, nor farmer. Modern MENA are very far from Anatolian farmer.
And you mistakenly imply I don't know Komi have much more Euro HG than southern Europeans.

I said they are borderline northerners. Maltese are borderline southerners. What is not clear here ?

Most of the northernmost parts of Europe were populated by Siberian-admixed Uralic populations until the Slavic expansion. Almost half of the area of what is today Sweden and Norway used to be part of Sápmi. Even the areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg used to be populated by Uralics.

The indigenous population of most of Northern Europe in the strict sense (which doesn't include southern regions like the British Isles or Germany) is Uralic. Komis are genetically typical indigenous Northern Europeans.



Saami aren't borderline northerners either, but they are even more northern than Scandinavians, in the same way that North Russians are more northern than Central Russians. Even today, with the exception of the Icelandics, the northernmost populations of Europe all have about 10% or higher Mongoloid admixture: Saami, Finns, White Sea Karelians, North Russians, Komi, and Nenetses. Norwegians, Swedes, and Russians (as a whole and not just North Russians) are not as northern, because their center of population is located further south.

Edit: I modified the map below so that it just includes Northern Europe. You can see that the indigenous population of about 80% or more of Northern Europe is Uralic.

[Duffmannn]

They may be between 5-20%
I think North Russians and Mordvins are only 5% or so, but groups like Mari are already 20% if I am not mistaken. Chuvash even more.

In the New World one can be consideared white up to 15% mongoloid admixture (in 99% of cases they resemble full euro).

With SSA the european imput must be higher.

[Laag]

I think Siberian admixture =/= MENA or Amerindian admixture. The Komi, Estonians, Karelians and Finns with Siberian admixture still look white while South Europeans with MENA admixture or Latin Americans with Amerindian admixture don't look like white.
I am right?

[Erronkari]

I think Siberian admixture =/= MENA or Amerindian admixture. The Komi, Estonians, Karelians and Finns with Siberian admixture still look white while South Europeans with MENA admixture or Latin Americans with Amerindian admixture don't look like white.
I am right?

Normally Amerindian shows traits when is above 8%/9% and Subsaharan African above 6%/7% genetically talking.
I don't know what's going on with mongoloid admixture...

[Jana]

Most of the northernmost parts of Europe were populated by Siberian-admixed Uralic populations until the Slavic expansion. Almost half of the area of what is today Sweden and Norway used to be part of Sápmi. Even the areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg used to be populated by Uralics.

The indigenous population of most of Northern Europe in the strict sense (which doesn't include southern regions like the British Isles or Germany) is Uralic. Komis are genetically typical indigenous Northern Europeans.



Saami aren't borderline northerners either, but they are even more northern than Scandinavians, in the same way that North Russians are more northern than Central Russians. Even today, with the exception of the Icelandics, the northernmost populations of Europe all have about 10% or higher Mongoloid admixture: Saami, Finns, White Sea Karelians, North Russians, Komi, and Nenetses. Norwegians, Swedes, and Russians (as a whole and not just North Russians) are not as northern, because their center of population is located further south.

Edit: I modified the map below so that it just includes Northern Europe. You can see that the indigenous population of about 80% or more of Northern Europe is Uralic.

I like Uralics, my man is Hungarian and unlike most of them he has minor Uralic admixture genetically and phenotypically.
But, how do you comment the fact N1c arrived to east baltic region after R1a ?