Welsh People

[Oliver109]

This approximately 25-strong choir seems to be a good representation of the phenotypical diversity within a small country like Wales. And I would actually say, on average, the average Welshman finds it harder to pass as English than the average Irishman, even if the latter is genetically more distant. That might not make much sense but that is my observation.

Sorry but that's nonsense

[Watersater79]

These are the winners of business awards in Carmarthenshire.

He looks extremely Welsh, you can just hear that 'singy-songy' accent by just looking at him.

[Watersater79]

Sorry but that's nonsense

70-80% of Irishman can pass as English (obviously of the KN variety, not much overlap with the Germanic side of things).
I was in England the summer before last (August-September 2022) and went with a mate on a driving trip Gloucestershire/Herefordshire and then into Wales. It was quite astounding as to how when we stopped at around the Powys/Ceredigion border, and one mingled with the locals in some pubs, we joked about how they looked 'different' to the English. Can't quite put my finger on it, though.

[Watersater79]

I know, I can't tell Welsh people that I've encountered in real life by their physical appearance from English or Scottish people - until I hear their accents. Their warmth and hospitality and friendliness is another giveaway too that they're Welsh, besides from their range of Welsh accents.

I see some people on TA who've never visited Wales or Cornwall, etc, yet have a bizarre notion that Welsh people are supposed to look like Catherine Zeta Jones or Tom Jones... like that's the only two old-fashioned Welsh people that they know of.

I rarely see them mention all the modern-day 21st century and globally popular and very successful Welsh stars today, like Matt Tuck from Bullet For My Valentine, Katherine Jenkins, Charlotte Church, Lee Gaze, etc. The only Welsh people they lamely know about is Tom Jones or Catherine Zeta Jones from the last century.

These extremely popular and globally famous Welshmen could easily pass anywhere in the British Isles, (if it wasn't for their Welsh accents.)



3:09 and 3:42 ... would you recognise this police officer as being Welsh without hearing his distinctive Welsh accent, whilst he describes how another man in Wales tried to kill him by ramming over his car. The narrator has a southern English RP accent, but the police officer has a Welsh accent.


Look at this Welshman and game show contestant and serial killer at 2:12. He looks a bit similar to an English musician I know in real life who is originally from Lancashire in north-west England and who is also softly spoken.

I think that Ioan Gruffudd would have a hard time passing as English and Scottish and he is certainly not an outlier in that regard.

[Oliver109]

70-80% of Irishman can pass as English (obviously of the KN variety, not much overlap with the Germanic side of things).
I was in England last summer and went with a mate on a driving trip Gloucestershire/Herefordshire and then into Wales. It was quite astounding as to how when we stopped at around the Powys/Ceredigion border, and one mingled with the locals in some pubs, we joked about how they looked 'different' to the English. Can't quite put my finger on it, though.

People in Herefordshire would look similar to the Welsh i think, Gloucestershire people would look posher and more longer headed and so going into Wales from there would be a sort of culture shock but in general i wouldn't say the Welsh look especially different.

[Watersater79]

People in Herefordshire would look similar to the Welsh i think, Gloucestershire people would look posher and more longer headed and so going into Wales from there would be a sort of culture shock but in general i wouldn't say the Welsh look especially different.

I think it was the contrast with Gloucestershire in fairness; we barely stopped off in Herefordshire. In the bigger picture there isn't an enormous difference, I find that 'robust' English people (those of the Kelto-Brunn/Brunn variety, certainly not the Tronderesque variety) to be indistinguishable to a great swathe of Welsh people. The late Ray Gravell is of a phenotype that represents the overlap between the more robust English types and his own countrymen. When you say 'posher' you are referring to that sort of 'horsey' look?

[Oliver109]

I think it was the contrast with Gloucestershire in fairness; we barely stopped off in Herefordshire. In the bigger picture there isn't an enormous difference, I find that 'robust' English people (those of the Kelto-Brunn/Brunn variety, certainly not the Tronderesque variety) to be indistinguishable to a great swathe of Welsh people. The late Ray Gravell is of a phenotype that represents the overlap between the more robust English types and his own countrymen. When you say 'posher' you are referring to that sort of 'horsey' look?

Yeah there is either a horsey sort of look and also many posh people tend to be taller, fairer and more Scandinavian shifted, there is also a finer featured more gracile type of posh person with Mediterranean influence, less robust than the med influenced Welsh.

[Watersater79]

The closest person Ron DeSantis has to a Welsh doppelgänger

[Septentrion]

I think it was the contrast with Gloucestershire in fairness; we barely stopped off in Herefordshire. In the bigger picture there isn't an enormous difference, I find that 'robust' English people (those of the Kelto-Brunn/Brunn variety, certainly not the Tronderesque variety) to be indistinguishable to a great swathe of Welsh people. The late Ray Gravell is of a phenotype that represents the overlap between the more robust English types and his own countrymen. When you say 'posher' you are referring to that sort of 'horsey' look?

No. There isn’t that much of a difference in England.
These are people native to Herefordshire and Worcestershire.
https://www.herefordshiregeneralprac...rs/54.jpg?v=17

[cass]

No. There isn’t that much of a difference in England.
These are people native to Herefordshire and Worcestershire.
https://www.herefordshiregeneralprac...rs/54.jpg?v=17

That's some terrible photoshop