Page 1 of 9 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 90

Thread: Gay Pakistan: Where sex is available and relationships are difficult

  1. #1
    Novichok
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    British Isles
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    Boer
    Ancestry
    Dutch, German, French Huguenot, British
    Country
    Great Britain
    Region
    Essex
    Y-DNA
    E-V13
    mtDNA
    H1b
    Taxonomy
    Norid
    Politics
    Godly
    Hero
    Jesus, the King of Kings
    Religion
    Christian
    Gender
    Posts
    60,964
    Blog Entries
    74
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 44,956
    Given: 45,027

    1 Not allowed!

    Default Gay Pakistan: Where sex is available and relationships are difficult

    Gay Pakistan: Where sex is available and relationships are difficult



    Pakistan is not the kind of place that most people would associate with gay liberation. But some say the country is a great place to be gay - even describing the port city of Karachi as "a gay man's paradise".

    Underground parties, group sex at shrines and "marriages of convenience" to members of the opposite sex are just some of the surprises that gay Pakistan has to offer. Under its veneer of strict social conformity, the country is bustling with same-sex activity.

    Danyaal, as he's asked to be known, is a 50-something businessman who lives in an affluent part of Karachi, and uses his smartphone to organise Karachi's gay party scene.

    "One of the first things I did online, maybe 12 years ago, was type in G - A - Y and hit search. Back then I found a group and made contact with 12 people in this city," he says.

    "These days there are smartphone apps that use GPS to tell you how close you are to another gay person with an online profile. There are thousands of gay men online in Pakistan at any one time."

    The party scene is big - so big, he jokes, that he rarely gets time to himself.

    "If you want sex too, it's a gay man's paradise. If you want a relationship, that may be more difficult."

    These invitation-only parties are a rare opportunity for gay men to be open about their sexuality.

    Pakistani society is fiercely patriarchal. Pakistanis are expected to marry a member of the opposite sex, and the vast majority do.

    The result is a culture of dishonesty and double lives, says researcher Qasim Iqbal.

    "Gay men will make every effort to stop any investment in a same-sex relationship because they know that one day they will have to get married to a woman," he says.

    "After getting married they will treat their wives well but they will continue to have sex with other men."

    Sex between men occurs in some very public places - including, surprisingly, Karachi's busiest shrine.

    Families go to the Abdullah Shah-Ghazi shrine to honour the holy man buried there and to ask for God's blessings, but it is also Karachi's biggest cruising ground.

    Every Thursday evening, as the sun sets, men from across the city gather there. A tightly packed circle is formed and those in the centre of the circle are groped by those on the periphery.

    To outsiders it looks like a writhing mass of men huddling around one another. Some even describe it as a "mysterious religious ceremony". For participants, it's anonymous group sex.

    This kind of behaviour is, of course, not condoned by Pakistan's religious authorities.

    Most Pakistanis view homosexuality as sinful. The vast majority of clerics interpret the Qoranic story of Lot as a clear indication that God condemns homosexual men. Some scholars go even further and recommend Sharia-based punishment for "men who have sex with men".

    The shrine is far from the only place in Karachi where gay sex is freely available.

    It is, for example, easy to buy from a malchi walah - a masseur who offers massage and "extras" for the equivalent of £5, or $7.80.

    "We get important people - police, army officers and ministers too," says one masseur, Ahmed.

    He claims to have slept with more than 3,000 men during his working life - despite having two wives and eight children.

    One of his wives, Sumera, wears a burka and the niqab, but she has no objection to her husband's chosen profession and wishes more people would keep an open mind.

    "I know he has sex. No problem. If he doesn't work how will the kids eat? I get angry when people call them names. People are stuck in their ways."

    Sumera's position may appear surprising, but in fact it's not hard to understand, says Qasim Iqbal.

    "In Pakistan men are discouraged from having girlfriends and so often, their first sexual experiences will be with male friends or cousins. This is often seen as a part of growing up and it can be overlooked by families - it's the idea that 'boys will be boys'," he says.

    "Sex between men will be overlooked as long as no-one feels that tradition or religion are being challenged. At the end of it all, everyone gets married to a member of the opposite sex and nothing is spoken about."

    Technically, homosexual acts are illegal in Pakistan. The British introduced laws criminalising what is described as sex "against the order of nature" in the colonial era. Sharia-based laws dating from the 1980s also lay down punishments for same-sex sexual activity.

    In practice, though, these laws are rarely enforced, and the issue tends to be dealt with inside the family.

    "There was an instance where two boys were caught having sex in a field," says Iqbal.

    "The family tried to bribe the police with money because they didn't want the story going public. When the police wouldn't back down the family asked for one detail to be changed - they wanted their son to be presented as the active sexual partner. For them, their son being passive would be even more shameful."

    In almost all cases charges will be dropped, Iqbal says, but the boys will be forced to get married by their families.

    Just occasionally, though, Pakistani parents do reconcile themselves to children entering a long-term gay relationship.

    Akbar and Ali are one such couple who have made things work, against the odds.

    "Ali's family was run by a matriarch," recalls Akbar.

    "His grandmother was the head of the house so I knew that winning her over would mean everything else would fall into place. I took the time to talk to her and convince her that I was a good person. That was first and foremost. It wasn't about 'coming out' in a formal sense. It's more important to convince Ali's family that I'm a good human being.

    "She once gave me a hand-embroidered decorative cloth that she had made as a teenager. She said she was giving it to me because she knew I 'take care of things'. It was a kind gesture and a very personal kind of acceptance."



    Akbar and Ali have now set up home together with the support of their families. Akbar has a good relationship with Ali's mother.

    "She comes to stay with us and I love watching soaps with her. At the end of the night she goes to her room and Ali and I will retire to our room. Two men sleeping in the same bed? Sure she knows what is going on. We don't have to have a big discussion about it."

    Stories like this are, however, exceptionally rare. For many gay men in Pakistan, a heterosexual marriage and a life of anonymous groping is the long-term reality.

    But life can be even more difficult for gay women. Expressions of female sexuality are shunned in the public sphere, even among heterosexuals. So how do gay women make their lives work?

    In Lahore, twenty-something lesbian couple Beena and Fatima have come up with an inventive way to stay together.

    Beena, although not publicly "out", says she is optimistic about the future. "I think we'll have a marriage of convenience. I know some gay guys and maybe we'll do a deal so we put in money together and they have one portion of the house and we'll have another portion. We may as well do that."

    Fatima, who contributes to an invitation-only online gay support group, believes it's only "a matter of time" before Pakistan begins to debate gay rights openly, and people declare their homosexuality with pride.

    "You can't stay in the closet forever. You have to come out. It's inevitable," she says.

    Beena is less hopeful.

    "Gay rights in America came after women had basic rights. You don't see that in Pakistan. You are not allowed a difference of opinion here. My father is a gentleman but I wouldn't put it past him to put a bullet through my head. I'm all for being 'true to myself' but I don't want to die young," she says.

    "I think it's selfish for me to come out and campaign for gay rights now. It's selfish to the women in my family who are fighting for education and the right to marry the man of their dreams, or not to marry at all."

    It may take a generation for any real change to occur - even liberal Pakistanis tend to regard sectarian violence and economic instability as more pressing issues. But there will still be private spaces where gay Pakistanis can express their sexuality openly.
    Help support Apricity by making a donation

  2. #2
    Veteran Member Hurrem sultana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Online
    03-02-2022 @ 11:47 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    thracian
    Ethnicity
    bosniak
    Ancestry
    european
    Country
    Bosnia
    Taxonomy
    european
    Politics
    non
    Religion
    islam
    Age
    22
    Gender
    Posts
    13,383
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,053
    Given: 235

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    lol
    None in the heavens or on earth, except God, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment).

  3. #3
    Novichok
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    British Isles
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    Boer
    Ancestry
    Dutch, German, French Huguenot, British
    Country
    Great Britain
    Region
    Essex
    Y-DNA
    E-V13
    mtDNA
    H1b
    Taxonomy
    Norid
    Politics
    Godly
    Hero
    Jesus, the King of Kings
    Religion
    Christian
    Gender
    Posts
    60,964
    Blog Entries
    74
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 44,956
    Given: 45,027

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrem sultana View Post
    lol
    Knew you'd like this article
    Help support Apricity by making a donation

  4. #4
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Last Online
    06-08-2022 @ 08:26 AM
    Ethnicity
    .
    Country
    Australia
    Gender
    Posts
    3,263
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,868
    Given: 5,287

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Gay Pakistan: Where sex is available and relationships are difficult





    Families go to the Abdullah Shah-Ghazi shrine to honour the holy man buried there and to ask for God's blessings, but it is also Karachi's biggest cruising ground.



    Shirk.

  5. #5
    Benevolent Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Fortis in Arduis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    03-17-2018 @ 02:18 PM
    Location
    Somerset
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Celto-Germanic
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    England, Scotland, Pan-Germania and Spanish Gypsies (Gitanos)
    Country
    England
    Region
    England
    Taxonomy
    sub-nordic
    Politics
    Co-operative Economics, Direct Democracy
    Hero
    The Absolute
    Religion
    Advaita Vedānta
    Age
    36
    Gender
    Posts
    7,653
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,469
    Given: 8,126

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    In India, where public opinion holds that homosexuality does not exist, I was cruised by a man on the Delhi metro, in a most sleazy fashion, in full public view, asking me the most personal questions in English!

    Some years before I noticed one evening in Mysore, taking an evening promenade in a public park, that men were gathering together and doing what repressed (and also open) homosexuals do in the UK. They were 'cottaging', that is, looking for sex in public places. I made a hasty retreat to my hotel.

    As for Morocco, the least I say, the better. When will the world grow up and accept that some people are homosexual? It seems that those countries which deny homosexuality develop the most unpleasant homosexual sub-cultures. All these manifestations such as marriages of convenience should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

  6. #6
    AstroPlumber arcticwolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Online
    09-21-2014 @ 12:30 AM
    Location
    Space
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Ugric
    Ethnicity
    Hun
    Country
    Hungary
    Politics
    CommonSense
    Religion
    Direct Reality
    Gender
    Posts
    8,893
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4,197
    Given: 3,880

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    LOL

    So much for the fear of God's wrath! LOL
    A Fanatical Buddhist

  7. #7
    EUROPA EUROPAE Grenzland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Last Online
    11-24-2018 @ 08:41 PM
    Location
    Lower Silesia
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    Deutsch
    Ancestry
    Süddeutschland, Banat
    Country
    Germany
    Region
    Saxony
    Taxonomy
    nordid
    Politics
    Against the modern World!
    Religion
    LHP
    Age
    26
    Gender
    Posts
    8,065
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4,106
    Given: 2,752

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    "In Pakistan men are discouraged from having girlfriends and so often, their first sexual experiences will be with male friends or cousins. This is often seen as a part of growing up and it can be overlooked by families - it's the idea that 'boys will be boys'," he says.

    EVROPA

  8. #8
    in hibernation Equilibrium's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Online
    12-06-2017 @ 10:09 PM
    Ethnicity
    Archaic Humanoid
    Country
    Bhutan
    Gender
    Posts
    1,735
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4,811
    Given: 4,449

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Too gay, stopped reading.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Online
    11-07-2014 @ 09:45 AM
    Ethnicity
    Paleo-Balkan
    Country
    United States
    Region
    Calabria
    Taxonomy
    Pontid + Alpine
    Gender
    Posts
    5,379
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 7,549
    Given: 6,832

    0 Not allowed!

    Default


  10. #10
    卍Descendant of a Simurgh and Garuda卍 Shah-Jehan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Last Online
    06-22-2017 @ 03:00 PM
    Location
    Svarga
    Meta-Ethnicity
    卍Indo-aryan/Indo-Iranian卍
    Ethnicity
    বাঙালি
    Ancestry
    Aryavarta + Eranshahr
    Country
    Canada
    Region
    Ontario
    Taxonomy
    Aryan
    Politics
    বাংগালীয়ানা
    Hero
    Ishvar
    Religion
    ইসলাম
    Age
    18
    Gender
    Posts
    13,004
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 10,474
    Given: 11,852

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by callmyname View Post
    I've never heard of this, it's false
    The Indo-Aryan Languages--------Beautiful Bengal--------Kashmir: Paradise on Earth--------The Nord-Indid Phenotype--------Ethnic Groups of Southern Asia

    卐Janani Janmabhumischa Swargadapi Gariyasi卐

Page 1 of 9 12345 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. How many relationships did you have?
    By Mortimer in forum Dating and Relationships
    Replies: 90
    Last Post: 10-15-2021, 12:52 PM
  2. Relationships
    By Loki in forum Dating and Relationships
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-26-2012, 09:56 AM
  3. Pakistan: LHC refuses to block WikiLeaks in Pakistan
    By The Lawspeaker in forum Pakistan
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-05-2010, 07:33 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •