Nordic elements in Sicily: How much of it is Norman, how much is ancient Italic Indo-European?

[Sikeliot]

Nordic elements are visible amongst the Sicilian population.. but how much of it is due to the Normans, and how much is due to ancient Italics (that predated Greeks, Phoenicians etc) and Indo-Europeans?

I often assume that around Palermo, where the Normans settled most heavily, the Norman influence explains a significant amount of the blue eyes and light features that exist, but in the rest of Sicily, where Normans did not settle in large enough numbers to have an impact, where would the Nordic elements come from? They are less common in eastern and southern Sicily, but you can still find blue eyes and blonde hair and Nordic influence here and there.

[Smeagol]

It's from the Italics mostly.

[Stormer99]

Around the Palermo area from the Normans

[Stormer99]

It's from the Italics mostly.

Italics are not Nordic

[Sikeliot]

It's from the Italics mostly.

Then we can assume the population was once blonder, more blue eyed and more Nordic than it is today, since at one point the Italics would have been a larger amount of the population before the Greeks and Phoenicians showed up.

Anyway I'd say in Palermo it's Norman, and in the rest of the island, when Nordic appearance does show up, it's ancient Indo-European/Italic.

[Smeagol]

Italics are not Nordic

No, they were a mix of Nordic (Aryan) and indigenous central European. (Alpines, Dinarics, etc)

[Smeagol]

Then we can assume the population was once blonder, more blue eyed and more Nordic than it is today, since at one point the Italics would have been a larger amount of the population before the Greeks and Phoenicians showed up

Yes, Italians in antiquity were lighter.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ntine-Emperors

Anyway I'd say in Palermo it's Norman, and in the rest of the island, when Nordic appearance does show up, it's ancient Indo-European/Italic.

I agree.

[Sikeliot]

My own appearance would not have arrived until the Greeks did.

[Libertas]

Italics are not Nordic

I agree.

The Italics may have had relatively fair Borreby or Cro-Magnon elements, still evident in many Apennine areas of Italy, but none of the old Roman busts show a Nordic phenotype.

[Sikeliot]

On the topic of this thread, the recent Eurogenes run (K27) did not give any region of Sicily more than 9% Northern European, with the difference being no more than 2% in any part of the island.

Therefore if all of it is Norman influence, Sicilians must have had like 0% Northern European prior to that, which just is not probable .