Nordic elements in Sicily: How much of it is Norman, how much is ancient Italic Indo-European?

[Anthropologique]

Yes, Italians in antiquity were lighter.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ntine-Emperors



I agree.

Of course, there was no political Italy then.

[Sikeliot]

Assuming Normans had little influence, then Sicilians would have been lighter prior to Greek and Phoenician settlement, since Italic would have made up a greater proportion of ancestry before then, even though they arrived when Neolithic peoples were already there.

[Anthropologique]

I think most Euro populations were lighter then. Italy got darker when the Easterners started to arrive in numbers.

[Vesuvian Sky]

I for one feel that the IE invasion of Italy was at a far more remote point in time, c. 3400 BC when the Kurgan stone warrior chief stelae appear in Northern Italy. Under this scenario, and by the time historically known Italics emerge, they thus would have looked standard Dinaro-Med. due to intermarrage with more 'local' elements in Italy. Ergo, more Northern traits in Palermo would reflect IMO more recent gene flow into the area which Norman conquest would fulfill here quite well.

[Libertas]

Not all European blonds or near-blonds are Nordic.

Many are Borreby or a certain type of Alpine.

I doubt if ANYWHERE in Italy outside the South Tyrol has as much as 7 to 9 pc per cent of tall, long-headed Nordics.

[Libertas]

I for one feel that the IE invasion of Italy was at a far more remote point in time, c. 3400 BC when the Kurgan stone warrior chief stelae appear in Northern Italy. Under this scenario, and by the time historically known Italics emerge, they thus would have looked standard Dinaro-Med. due to intermarrage with more 'local' elements in Italy. Ergo, more Northern traits in Palermo would reflect IMO more recent gene flow into the area which Norman conquest would fulfill here quite well.

I agree.

[Conte Mascetti]

Italics are not Nordic

Early Italics were Nordish, they showed Nordoid features.

[Libertas]

Early Italics were Nordish, they showed Nordoid features.

Where is your proof?

[Peyrol]

Yes, Italians in antiquity were lighter.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ntine-Emperors



I agree.

Lol, who translated ''flavius'' as an adjective of physical appearence?

Flavius was (and still is, Flavi) a surname (prenomen), not an indicator of physical appearence...it would be like saying that all the americans named ''smith'' are people who work with iron

[Sikeliot]

Ergo, more Northern traits in Palermo would reflect IMO more recent gene flow into the area which Norman conquest would fulfill here quite well.

That is probable. However, we'd have to see if genetically they score more Northern components and as far as I have seen, they do but only 3-4% more which would not affect looks.