Hairy & Anthropology

[Äike]

The Berbers ruled muslim Spain, not middle-easterns. Berbers are not middle-easterns. And they[Berbers] were a minority. And It's not true that we have more middle-eastern influence than the average european, just check the Y-DNA lineages for Spain. Spain has the same J as France, Germany, Holland, see for yourself :

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

You're obsessed with Y-DNA, but now look at it from a different angle. Do you truly believe that Spain and Holland have had the same amount of Middle-Eastern influence?

In time Islamic migrants from places as diverse as North Africa to Yemen and Syria came to live in the Iberian peninsula.

If Yemen and Syria aren't in the Middle-East and the people living there aren't Middle-Easterners, then my name isn't Karl.

When you are losing a debate, you just start giving bad reps, you always do the same.

No one can loose a debate against you.

[Ibericus]

You're obsessed with Y-DNA, but now look at it from a different angle. Do you truly believe that Spain and Holland have had the same amount of Middle-Eastern influence?

Yes. Actually the people who brought agriculture into Europe were middle-easterns who entered through the balkans, up to central Europe, not in Spain.

If Yemen and Syria aren't in the Middle-East and the people living there aren't Middle-Easterners, then my name isn't Karl.

If these people were enough to contribute to the genetic pool of Spain, im a Papuan

No one can loose a debate against you.

Sure.

[Äike]

Thats regional adaptation, because it's simply possible from a climatic/UV situation to become that light. Obviously, it's almost secondary which race you would have send into the region and under those conditions, all would have become lighter through selection under this specific selective regime and once some genes for that were introduced by genflow.

Near Eastern haplogroups are largely Europid, unless there is newer foreign admixture, N is no classic Europid marker, nor is the Eastbaltid-Lappoid complex classic Europid, nor is that the case in an autosomal comparison. I don't think it is such a big deal actually, but if saying that someone is Europe is less Europid and then arguing about how blondism in Finns automatically makes them the most Europid ones is - a joke?

N is definitely not European in origin and came into the Westeurasian/Europid sphere later, as fully developed Mongoloid or something "Proto-Mongoloid" I don't know for sure, but definitely not Europid in the classic racial sense.

N is just as European as R. You are probably correct that N is "definitely" not European in origin, very few haplogroups in Europe actually are European in origin.

A bit off-topic but... Agrippa, have you ever been a member of PANF?

[Äike]

Yes. Actually the people who brought agriculture into Europe were middle-easterns who entered through the balkans, up to central Europe, not in Spain.

That's right, demic diffusion didn't happen in Spain and you're actually a Basque who's speaking an Indo-European language. I'm completely serious.

If these people were enough to contribute to the genetic pool of Spain, im a Papuan

It all depends how you define "enough".

Sure.

I'm glad that you agree, looks like I was wrong to call you narcissistic.

[Ibericus]

Actually Spain has one of the least middle-eastern influence in Europe, which can been seen here in this study :

[Pallantides]

Prehistoric? When. In fact all Europids came from the Near East and Southern Asia obviously, Central Asia being an old Europid territory. It has nothing to do with real Mongoloid affinities, this came into the region sporadically and stronger later - exemplified by N primarily.

From what I have seen Northern Europeans do have somewhat higher affinity with Siberians and Native Americans and less Middle Eastern input than other Europeans do.

[Pallantides]

Norwegian BGA


Italian BGA




I have highlighted the mideastern score, also notice the difference in the Amerindian score, the Italians have negative scores while the Norwegians have positive scores.

[Ibericus]

Norwegian BGA


Italian BGA




I have highlighted the mideastern score, also notice the difference in the Amerindian score, the Italians have negative scores while the Norwegians have positive scores.

Italians are not the same as spaniards. Plus, this is CRAP. How can italians be 10% South Asian ??

[Pallantides]

Wow you just discredited yourself...

The South East Asian affinty is ancient besides Dr. McDonald's analysis of users 23andMe raw data is probably the most accurate there is, you should tell Aino, Polako or anyone with some knowledge of genetics that it's CRAP as you put it...


I only know of one Spaniard that has sent his raw data to Dr. Mcdonald, thats to few to make a real comparison, I posted his result on page 6.

[Stefan]

Italians are not the same as spaniards. Plus, this is CRAP. How can italians be 10% South Asian ??

Everybody gets about 6-10. Remember this is an affinity test. You can actually get over 100 European.