I will not sign Lisbon Treaty - Czech President

[Loddfafner]

For the Euroskeptics, do you object to the original concept of defusing intra-European nationalist conflicts such as that between France and Germany through economic integration starting with the old Coal and Steel arrangement? Is the problem that this process has gone too far, or that it has happened at all?

[Sol Invictus]

For the Euroskeptics, do you object to the original concept of defusing intra-European nationalist conflicts such as that between France and Germany through economic integration starting with the old Coal and Steel arrangement? Is the problem that this process has gone too far, or that it has happened at all?

No. But I object to a totalitarian program using the guise of 'peace and prosperity' to centralize and consolidate power. It started out as an economic partnership, and the next thing you know you have a universal court and law system and constitution that completely undermines the native constitutions and completely disregards the Oaths that were sworn to defend them. That kind of incrimentalism is now what we're experiencing oin our own countries in North America.

Now you have open borders, giving free reign to foreingers to enter into your workforce, your country and gives rise to the great possibility for foreign illegal immigration through it's lax or non-existant border enforcement. I'll leave it to Europeans themselves to describe how they feel about 'burying the hatchet'. My personal opinion is that the EU isn't the way to do it.

Ask brits how they feel about the tossing of their Magna Carta and their sworn oaths to Her Majesty the Queen.

[Poltergeist]

I don't know where you've been, Saparmurat.

Sorry, Soten, I didn't read the whole article. I was commenting on his general stance towards European Union in the last years, which probably wasn't driven by fear of returning Germans only. Yes, he does mention it here. But I still view him in positive light because of the job he is doing in slowing down the process of creation of the unified supra-state. Even if his attempts are desperate and soon will be neutralized, I still think they are worthwhile. Whatever his real motivations may be. On the other hand, I simply can't believe his entire loudly voiced anti-EU stance of the last years was driven by these motivations only.

For the Euroskeptics, do you object to the original concept of defusing intra-European nationalist conflicts such as that between France and Germany through economic integration starting with the old Coal and Steel arrangement? Is the problem that this process has gone too far, or that it has happened at all?

Rather the former. Europe as an economic zone maybe isn't such a bad idea, European superstate certainly is. Free trade and cooperation can happen without this beaurocratic monster as well.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Europe as an economic zone maybe isn't such a bad idea, European superstate certainly is. Free trade and cooperation can happen without this beaurocratic monster as well.

Yes, it is a bad idea, and so is free trade.

[Osweo]

But to say that's the single most driving force behind him not signing the lisbon treaty is rather narrow minded? Could it have crossed your mind that this man loves his country and wants to keep it the way it is? To grow and develop outside of the monster magnet that is the European Union?

Maybe he's doing it from the best sort of intentions (and to a Czech, a nation humiliated by that idiot Hitler, keeping old German property IS a moral act) viz sovereignty, and hasn't succumbed to bribery and pressure due to his age. He is 'getting on' a bit, isn't he? Maybe he just wants to shove this in the faces of all the other bastards in politics before he kicks the bucket, as well as do the best for his country.

[Loddfafner]

I checked (sorry) with a Czech contact. He played down the Sudeten angle but relayed some interesting rumors that Klaus is either an American agent, a Russian agent, or both. It does not matter which, as both powers are threatened by the possibility of a strengthened, unified EU.

[Sol Invictus]

I checked (sorry) with a Czech contact. He played down the Sudeten angle but relayed some interesting rumors that Klaus is either an American agent, a Russian agent, or both. It does not matter which, as both powers are threatened by the possibility of a strengthened, unified EU.

Well if he is an American agent then he's obviously not your every-day run-of-the-mill New World Order agent. I say good for him because he's obviously doing a good job! Do you have any sources to back this or is this word of mouth.

[Poltergeist]

Yes, it is a bad idea, and so is free trade.

If it is some loose frame of cooperation, coercion being imposed on any country to practice "free trade" according to the commnds of some faceless beaurocrats (which then doesn't make it free at all), then I don't see what would be so inherently bad about it.

I checked (sorry) with a Czech contact. He played down the Sudeten angle but relayed some interesting rumors that Klaus is either an American agent, a Russian agent, or both. It does not matter which, as both powers are threatened by the possibility of a strengthened, unified EU.

That's what crossed my mind as well yesterday, when I was pondering it. That the Sudeten issue might be one more point by which he further strengthens his already existing anti-EU stance and not the other way around.

As for America or Russia, or even both of these powers working conjointly, eventually having their finger in the pie, so what? Maybe once these countries do some good for this continent, although involuntarily.

[Monolith]

For the Euroskeptics, do you object to the original concept of defusing intra-European nationalist conflicts such as that between France and Germany through economic integration starting with the old Coal and Steel arrangement? Is the problem that this process has gone too far, or that it has happened at all?

I agree with the Turk, it's more like the latter. However, this 'Euroskeptic' label is an interesting one, as it is applied to people who are not only skeptical but also outright inimical towards the EU. It's a neat trick of the mainstream media.

...and so is free trade.

Care to expand on that?

[Poltergeist]

I agree with the Turk, it's more like the latter. However, this 'Euroskeptic' label is an interesting one, as it is applied to people who are not only skeptical but also outright inimical towards the EU. It's a neat trick of the mainstream media.

"Euroskeptic" is a terrible misnomer, when applied to people opposing EU. I am simply anti-EU, not Euroskeptic. Euroskepticism is a moderate poltical view, integrated into the poltically correct mainstream of the EU, which consists of critcizing some some aspects of the EU politics.