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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    mediterranean coast of spain and basque country have the higher level of this italo-celtic Y-DNA, but there were no celts no?, that was ibero and basque territory, not celtic.

    curious.
    It's curious because R1b is not an Italo-Celtic haplogroup. That's just a theory and that map was made by a guy on another forum and lumps lots of different types of R1b.

    For example mine is more common west:


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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    mediterranean coast of spain and basque country have the higher level of this italo-celtic Y-DNA, but there were no celts no?, that was ibero and basque territory, not celtic.

    curious.
    Probablemente porque estos dos movimientos fueran incluso más importantes.

    1ş---->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture

    2ş----->http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura...o_campaniforme


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    In the west almost all Spain had been subjugated, except that part which adjoins the cliffs where the Pyrenees end and is washed by the nearer waters of the ocean. Here two powerful nations, the Cantabrians and the Asturians, lived in freedom from the rule of Rome.")
    — Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum


    Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240

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    Rapa das bestas is the name of an operation that involves cutting the manes of the wild Galician horses and tag them nowadays with a microchip that are performed in the curros (enclosed which retain the horses) held in various locations in Galicia, part of the kingdom of Asturias. Both the Galician horse breed and this tradition was brought by Celts and still continues existing nowadays.


























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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
    Here's another one:

    It seems we had some massive bottlenecks there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    Rapa das bestas is the name of an operation that involves cutting the manes of the wild Galician horses and tag them nowadays with a microchip that are performed in the curros (enclosed which retain the horses) held in various locations in Galicia, part of the kingdom of Asturias. Both the Galician horse breed and this tradition was brought by Celts and still continues existing nowadays.

























    They do that in Iceland, Dartmoor (England), New Forest (England) and Exmoor (England) too. They're turned out all year in England and only caught to be sold or check over by a vet / vaccinated. In Iceland they send them out in the mountains all summer and then bring them back down in winter. I wouldn't say it's a particularly Celtic practice, the Norwegians used to do it too.
    Dartmoor and Exmoor ponies in England are very ancient though, they go back to the Bronze Age. Some other pony types like The Fell and Dale go back to Roman horses and ponies that mixed with native sorts. Some of the ancestors of them are thought to be Frisian horses from the Netherlands and Asturcon Ponies from Iberia.
    Dartmoors and Exmoors are the native ponies the Celts here had. New Forest Ponies are probably a mixture of the ones possessed by the Celts mixed with latter Anglo-Saxon and Norman ones and are very different.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountai...nd_pony_breeds


    Exmoors


    Dartmoors


    Dartmoors


    Fell pony (these are from Cumbria)


    Fell Ponies. Dale ponies are very similar and related, but a bit heavier and come from the Yorkshire Dales.


    New Forest ponies


    New Forest pony

    New forest, Dartmoor and Exmoor ponies all roam wild on the moors and in the forests in their respective regions whereas Fells and Dales are domesticated.

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    Interesting, didn't know about that. All of them seem quite primitive breeds. The Galician horses are mostly wild, there are about 16.000 roaming 100% wild, being the biggest colony of wild horses in the world.


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    Mirad en el siglo II el nombre de dos de las legiones ibéricas romanas

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohors_...vium_romanorum

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohors_I_Celtiberorum

    No viene muy a cuento en este hilo pensándolo bien ya que imagino que se refiere a legionarios reclutados entre el pueblo celtibero de la meseta, el caso es que una de las legiones acabó su vida en Cantabria en el siglo IV, parte de Las Asturias de las que se habla aquí, la otra estuvo en el muro de adriano, la cantidad de iberos que acabaron allí es enorme, ya se de varios pueblos como los vardulos que mandaron gente al muro.
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    — Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum


    Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    Astures then were all Romance speakers, but they were able to retain their Celtic ethnic identity and organization. Celtic languages in Iberia probably didn't survive the Romanization.
    Gallaic Iberian (NW Celtic) was spoken in Galicia and parts of Portugal by some individuals right into the Middle Ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    Interesting, didn't know about that. All of them seem quite primitive breeds. The Galician horses are mostly wild, there are about 16.000 roaming 100% wild, being the biggest colony of wild horses in the world.

    You find the same types in Portugal - Minho and Tras os Montes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    Gallaic Iberian NW Celtic) was spoken in Galicia and parts of Portugal by some individuals right into the Middle Ages.
    Didn't know, do you have any source about?

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