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    Yes, I know. I have always supported this idea that the NorthAfrican/bereber is just a matter of labels. It has ZERO evidence here. Everything is against it. Even what you say that there is more ""northafrican" in the west than in the East, which makes no sense with the Reconquista affairs. And ancient either because they would have left archaeology, cerámica, cemeteries, material culture, but there is ZERO of it in any part of Spain, except of the phoenicians in the coast of Andalucía.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gredos View Post
    surprisingly, the gradient of this supposed NA mixture coincides with the expansion of the kingdoms during the reconquest and repopulation, which also coincides with the spoken language



    Can anyone believe that the genetic differences between east and west is because the western population liked to mix with Moors, to the same degree in the south of Portugal as in the north of Galicia?

    Can anyone believe that the last Moorish kingdom (Granada) does not have a large North African proportion today?

    The genetic data of 17 Y chromosome short tandem repeats in 146 unrelated donor residents in the provinces of Granada, Málaga, and Almería (GMA) were analyzed to determine the genetic legacy of the male inhabitants of the former Kingdom of Granada. A total of 139 unique haplotypes were identified. Observed allele frequencies and haplogroup frequencies were also analyzed. By AMOVA and STRUCTURE analysis, the populations of the 3 provinces could be treated genetically as a single population. The most frequent haplogroup was R1b1b2 (58.22%). By network analysis of all individuals, we observed a distribution according to haplogroup assignment. To improve the characterization of GMA population, it was compared with those of North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, and southern Europe. In our analysis of allele frequencies and genetic distances, the GMA population lay within the Spanish population group. Further, in the STRUCTURE analysis, there was no African component in the GMA population, confirming that, based on our genetic markers, the GMA population does not reflect any male genetic influence of the North African people. The presence of African haplogroups in the GMA population is irrelevant when their frequency is compared with those in other European populations.
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    This is obvious that this admixture is not from the Middle Ages, this comes from the northwest of the peninsula, and it is not even originally from North Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    Yes, I know. I have always supported this idea that the NorthAfrican/bereber is just a matter of labels. It has ZERO evidence here. Everything is against it. Even what you say that there is more ""northafrican" in the west than in the East, which makes no sense with the Reconquista affairs. And ancient either because they would have left archaeology, cerámica, cemeteries, material culture, but there is ZERO of it in any part of Spain, except of the phoenicians in the coast of Andalucía.
    Iberia follows east-west gradient rather than north-south, what is wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Area51Defender View Post
    Iberia follows east-west gradient rather than north-south, what is wrong with that?
    If it had to do with AlAndalus, it would be possitive with the north-south gradient. So, contrary to your expectations, AlAndalus left negligible or nothing DNA here since the real gradient is West-East and Reconquista was North-South.

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