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    Default What if the Celts in continental Europe hadn't adopted Roman languages?

    Celts lived almost everywhere in Europe in the Iron age especially in France and Spain but it seems that they were culturally and linguistically beaten by the invading romans. I can understand it that the Celts adopted the higher developed culture of Romans but I find it kinda stupid that they started to forget their language and spoke only Roman languages after a while. What if the Gauls hadn't adopt Latin languages? Would be the modern French Celtic? What about the Celtiberians? If the Celtiberians hadn't adopted a Latin languages would be the modern Spaniards also a Celtic people?
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    Apparently Celtic languages are closely related to Italic ones. I don't know if this is a relevant factor, but perhaps they could assimilate Latin more easily than some other groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benacer View Post
    Apparently Celtic languages are closely related to Italic ones. I don't know if this is a relevant factor, but perhaps they could assimilate Latin more easily than some other groups.
    Is it proven that the Celtic languages are closely related to Italic languages? I thought that the Italo-Celtic languages were only a theory which is not supported by many Indo-Europeanists today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    Italo-Celtic languages were only a theory which is not supported by many Indo-Europeanists today
    This.

    They do share a number of common traits, but the idea that these originated in a common proto-language has been long since discarded by the mainstream Indo-Europeanistics. Some are common archaisms, others spread in a wave-like model, and a number of those is also shared by Greek or Germanic for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    Celts lived in almost everywhere in Europe in the Iron age especially in France and Spain but it seems that they were culturally and linguistically beaten by the invading romans. I can understand it that the Celts adopted the higher developed culture of Romans but I find it kinda stupid that they started to forget their language and spoke only Roman languages after a while. What if the Gauls hadn't adopt Latin languages? Would be the modern French Celtic? What about the Celtiberians? If the Celtiberians hadn't adopted a Latin languages would be the modern Spaniards also a Celtic people?
    Romanization was efficient. As for forgetting about a language there are more modern examples of that, and usually it includes forbidding the use of a language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    Celts lived in almost everywhere in Europe in the Iron age especially in France and Spain but it seems that they were culturally and linguistically beaten by the invading romans.
    That's a myth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    That's a myth.

    Myth? I don't think so sorry. Roman historians place Celtic tribes mostly in modern France and Spain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    Celts lived in almost everywhere in Europe in the Iron age especially in France and Spain but it seems that they were culturally and linguistically beaten by the invading romans. I can understand it that the Celts adopted the higher developed culture of Romans but I find it kinda stupid that they started to forget their language and spoke only Roman languages after a while. What if the Gauls hadn't adopt Latin languages? Would be the modern French Celtic? What about the Celtiberians? If the Celtiberians hadn't adopted a Latin languages would be the modern Spaniards also a Celtic people?
    I'm Irish and the Irish speak a Celtic language but I'm still confused about who the Celts were. I don't think there is any genetic relationship to the Celts. It is a culture that was adopted by vast amounts of Europeans. The extremities of Europe is where Celtic culture survived and that is in Ireland. Wales, Scotland and Brittany. They all have a genetic relationship because the British Isles are of course inter-related and Brittany had a lot of Britons go there when the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain but otherwise there is no genetic relationship. The Celts are very important to the identity of Irish and Welsh particularly. It is very much a part of our identity. What is more interesting is whether being Celtic has kept us apart from being connected to our neighbours. I have been brought up to think that the Irish are Celtic and have more a relationship with the Scots and Welsh rather than the English but to be honest with genetics I feel more a relationship with all the British Isles and feel a closer connection with the English. I feel I'm a Celt but I also feel more connection with English people through genetics. How do other "Celts" feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    Myth? I don't think so sorry. Roman historians place Celtic tribes mostly in modern France and Spain
    I'm sorry for your "Roman historians", but they were obviously wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    Myth? I don't think so sorry. Roman historians place Celtic tribes mostly in modern France and Spain
    Celtic original homeland is Central Europe. The territory of today`s Austria (Hallstatt Tene culture), Bavaria and Bohemia to be precise. They migrated from there to Iberia and the British Isles.
    Prodigies appear in the oddest of places


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