Indo-Europeans were originaly mongols

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Apparently, all Europeans have East Asian admixture, and Northern Europeans more of it than Southern Europeans. I read about it recently in a supplement from the latest David Reich et al. study on the origins of Amerindians (see section Note S3 here). The details are sketchy, so we'll have to wait until more info is available before getting stuck into the issue, but I wouldn't be surprised if these signals of East Asian autosomal admixture in Europeans were linked to the mtDNA C from Neolithic Ukraine.

Moving along, the presence of the two T lineages is also significant. This haplogroup seems to be common in remains from kurgan burials from West and South Siberia. Not only that, but it's also frequent in areas of Northern and Eastern Europe with very high frequencies of SNP markers linked to light eyes and fair hair, like the Baltic region.

This is worthy of note, because kurgan remains from South Siberia were tested for such markers, and appeared to show light eyes and fair hair at levels comparable to those of modern Northern and Eastern Europeans (more on that here). Indeed, they also mostly belonged to Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, which is a marker that today dominates the region between the Baltic and Black Seas.

But mtDNA haplogroup T originally comes from the Near East, and most likely moved into Europe during the Neolithic. So the story unfolding here is that Near Eastern Neolithic migrants, carrying mtDNA T, and possibly Y-DNA R1a, migrated to Europe, and settled on the plains and steppes from the Baltic to the Caspian. Here they mixed with Mesolithic Europeans, who mostly carried mtDNA U lineages, and unknown Y-DNA haplogroups, as well as migrants from Siberia. This hybrid group then came up with the concept of the kurgan culture, and headed east, as far as South Siberia and Central Asia, spreading their language and way of life as they moved. Were these the early Indo-Europeans? Why not?

It's also important to note the presence of mtDNAs U3 and likely U1 in these Ukrainian results, especially in the context of a new study on West Siberian aDNA, published in the same online book. But I'll cover that in my next blog post.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/201...m-ukraine.html

[robar]

Three generations and the the maternal/paternal genes of the grandparents may disappear from the descendants!

Okay but that rarelly happens for whole opulation, possible, but not with high probability

[blogen]

Okay but that rarelly happens for whole opulation, possible, but not with high probability

This is incalculable in the strongly mixed populations, particularly if they are wandering sometimes!

[Kale]

I don't get it, what's the problem/news/relevance to anything? The Indo-Europeans spread West, then later on some Mongols came to the Caspian. Either that the Indo-Europeans spread West, then the ones that stayed behind later spread East and brought some females back with them. Either way, nothing incredibly surprising.

[Vesuvian Sky]

The Kurgan hypothesis (also theory or model) is one of the proposals about early Indo-European origins, which postulates that the people of an archaeological "Kurgan culture" (a term grouping the Yamna, or Pit Grave, culture and its predecessors) in the Pontic steppe were the most likely speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language.

[Smeagol]

Nope. Even Dienekes says

While most of our samples possessed mtDNA haplotypes that can be linked to European and Near Eastern populations

And just having an Asian haplogroup doesn't make someone Mongoloid anyway,.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

The maternal dna C-is there so they were partly mongols

Even this speaks of the exotic Asiatic like DNA in Scythians in the same area later on!

Scythians were Indo-Europeans were they not!?

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012...ge-russia.html

Scythian mtDNA from Iron Age Russia

I already blogged about these and other ancient Russian samples very briefly a few weeks ago after reading the Oleg Balanovsky thesis (see here). However, what I didn't realize at the time was that a more extensive description of the samples was included in a 2011 thesis by someone called Clio Der Sarkissian. So here we go again...

Based on informative haplotype matches, the Rostov Scythians show clear affinity to modern European samples, especially those from Eastern Europe, including Poles and Russians. However, as mentioned in my previous blog entry, the Scythian mtDNA is much more exotic than that of most modern Eastern European populations, carrying heavy influence from North and East Eurasia, and some minor input from the Near East. Hence, on the PCA plot this ancient Rostov sample pulls away from the mainstream Eastern European cluster, and lands close to groups that also carry various exotic admixtures, like Tatars (TA2), Shugnans from Tajikistan (shu), Udmurts (UD), Komis (KO), and Pomors from Northern Russia (pom

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Mongols were european looking.

[Stears]

Three generations and the the maternal/paternal genes of the grandparents may disappear from the descendants!

You confused the ancestry test of persons with population genetics.

[sevruk]

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