"All civilization is Turkic in origin"

[ButlerKing]

In Iran the Torks are a national joke, we call them tork-e-khar, basically meaning "the donkeys". Essentially every joke about stupidity and dumbness starts with a "there was a tork......"

But what is really hilarious is their claims to other cultures and inventions, this is a real stigma amongs torks, but this inferiority complex running deeply in their veins stems from realising that they didn't even exist as an entity, untill a very short time ago.

Some people might ask how can a genetically inferior race such as the torks have success on the battelfiels, well the only reason they were able to form any sort of military expansion was because all the old world powers built civilizations and cities, and put militarisation second to scientific and cultural advancements, but these savage torks were still prancing around in horses all day and night and target practising, while all the other civilised cultures were making mathematical and scientific breakthroughs. And mind you it was the ancient IE that mastered the horse and it was the Andronovan Iranians that introduced them to the Mongoloids of the far eastern steppe, probably by way of male domination, which answers why there is some concentration or R1a among Central Asian torks. Nomadic Iranian horsemen, such as the Scythians, slaughtering mongoloid tribes, killing their men and raping their women, with their bastardised children becoming "Turanid". That is why the Siberian mongoloids dont have any R1a but towards the west there are patches of high concentration among many tork tribes.

That is what I originally though.

But now I seriously doubt R1a in Turks is due to Iranic men through rape but rather interracial marrages. Turks also have high percentages of Caucasian maternal lineage.

R1a seems to have predated the existence of Turks.


There are many Part Mongoloid - predominately Mongoloid men with R1a buried with Caucasian/Europoid women, long before the existence of the name Turks or any kind of expansion. Even the high R1a Turks like Altay and Kyrgyz have 27 - 42% Caucasian maternal lineage. This shows it was done by interracial marriages not rape.


FOR EXAMPLE THE IRANIC CULTURE OF PAZYRYK IN 3rd BC century shows Mongoloid looking males like Kyrgyz buried with Caucasian females in western Siberia.


"
Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "

[Smeagol]

It's amusing how non white 'centrists' claim their ancestors built the whole world, yet even white nationalists don't claim anything outside of 'white' civilization...I wonder why that is

Lol, you should read some threads on Stormfront. Still, negrocentrists are some of the stupidest people on earth for sure, and way worse than Turkocentrists, or White Nationalists.

[ButlerKing]

It's funny because Turks themselves barely have any Turkic blood in them, and yet, they claim ownership towards every strip of land that was ever inhabited by Turkic peoples.

Turks claim Scythians and R1a was original Turkic marker despite the fact Turkish people have only 7 - 15% at it's highest.

They also claim J2, R1b, are Turkic markers.

[ButlerKing]

It's amusing how non white 'centrists' claim their ancestors built the whole world, yet even white nationalists don't claim anything outside of 'white' civilization...I wonder why that is

Lol You sure?

[Gryphon]

Turks claim Scythians and R1a was original Turkic marker despite the fact Turkish people have only 7 - 15% at it's highest.

They also claim J2, R1b, are Turkic markers.

The madness doesn't stop at civilizations, but they claim many individuals as well, the great Rumi jump to my head right away.

[Scholarios]

Turks and only Turks claim these absurdities. But a stupidity that is repeated gains more respect. Better to pretend their historiography doesn't exist.

[ButlerKing]

The madness doesn't stop at civilizations, but they claim many individuals as well, the great Rumi jump to my head right away.

Turkish Turks do not like Turks being Mongoloid.

They even claim the original culture of Iran were founded by some Turkic tribes.

They claim Turks existed long before other races, founded every culture in Europe and Middle east and claim they were Turanid.

For example Turks claim Scythians, Sakas, and other Iranic tribes as Turkic and claimed Turks became Mongoloid only through Mongol invasion but this is proven false as many Mongoloid Turks have predated thousand years before the Mongol invasions.

[ButlerKing]

The madness doesn't stop at civilizations, but they claim many individuals as well, the great Rumi jump to my head right away.

It seems the history of Turks and Central Asian cannot be determined just by Y-DNA and mtDNA studies, it's far more complicated than that.


The many cultures that Turkish people claim as Turkic origin clearly destroyed their bullshit claim. Archeology and anthropologist by Russians and Ukranians shows Turkic invaders were not Caucasian. For a long time Turkish people though Turks were Caucasian only because of high R1a however these have long existed in Mongoloid looking Turks.
They claim Mongoloid looking Turks is due to Mongol invasion ( this is partially true but the other truth is they were always Mongoloid and part Mongoloid ) but anthropologist shows Mongoloid Turks with R1a dating even before the Turkic expansion of central Asia.


What they found in the burials. ( who the Turks claim as Turkic culture )

The women were either similar to the Uralic or Caucasus Iranic type where as the men are similar to the Kyrgyz or Altay type.


How can Turks claim their Turks when their male ancestors were not even Caucasian? ( at least not by the time of 300 BC , where the males dugged up were either Mongoloid and Mongoloid-Caucasian mix of different degrees )





Pazyryk culture

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "


Anayino culture

Sculptural reconstruction of men Lugovskyi burial
Ananyino culture. Gypsum. MMGerasimov work.


" Reconstruction of the mounds number 5, 6 show burial Stone Barn in racial make women Ural mixed type men - striking features of Central Asian Mongoloid."

[Rædwald]

Lol You sure?

I've seen some WN's claming that King Tut was western European et cetera. Those examples are much less in quantity than that of Afro-Centrists.

[Savruk]

For a long time Turkish people though Turks were Caucasian only because of high R1a however these have long existed in Mongoloid looking Turks. They claim Mongoloid looking Turks is due to Mongol invasion ( this is partially true but the other truth is they were always Mongoloid and part Mongoloid ) but anthropologist shows Mongoloid Turks with R1a dating even before the Turkic expansion of central Asia. What they found in the burials. ( who the Turks claim as Turkic culture ) The women were either similar to the Uralic or Caucasus Iranic type where as the men are similar to the Kyrgyz or Altay type. How can Turks claim their Turks when their male ancestors were not even Caucasian? ( at least not by the time of 300 BC , where the males dugged up were either Mongoloid and Mongoloid-Caucasian mix of different degrees

You must be kidding.. R1a in Central Asia is mostly Turkic: