Palaeolithic DNA

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I don't think Maju has an intentional agenda but I do think he has a big bias. Dienekes on the other hand is pretty laughable to me. Maju doesn't seem to cross the line to dishonesty and I agree with him more anyway - there's a very strong continuity in DNA and language in basque territory that's very hard to argue with. Lichtenstein is only place in europe that comes close, where people might really be 80-90%+ indigenous.

Personally I don't think I'd care if r1b came in neolithic but I just don't find it remotely plausible. As for H, that seems more likely something that developed in central europe than anything else but there's some possibility of iberian origin.

I have mtdna v which seems spread pretty evenly along the "atlantic facade". Iberia seems like a likely origin and it split off from H. However I don't think I could care less if that's not the case, I have no real attachment to iberia.

As for r1b it seems impossible that's the case. At the least I'd want way more evidence before calling it case closed. I don't know if that's my clade or not though. If I had to guess I'd say it's r1a.

Unfortunately with these tests they are grinding bones but applying weak tests. Ruining them without getting good conclusion. Depending on who's doing it I would not be surprised if they are intentionally keeping results vague so their pet theories won't get ruined.

[Artek]

Those Gravettian samples are most likely not H types.That is just Maju's idiocy and fantasy coming to the surface.

The tendency for the UP and Mesolithic remains is to be U but who knows...

As Fire Haired stated - not everything can be explained by a farmer migration just 9000 years ago and onwards, possibly some pre-Neolithic H was present in the Southern Europe.
(I doubt that H was widespread, but still...)

[Fire Haired]

Borshevo region Russia 33,250 ± 500 BP mtDNA=U2

Dolni Vestonice, Czech Republic 31,155ybp mtDNA=3: U=3 (U("pre U5"(2 of 5 defining mutations click here)=2), U8=1

Gravettian culture Sungir Russia 30,100 ± 550 BP mtDNA=2:Unreliabl2 (click here most likely H17'27)=2

Gravettian culture Rignano Garganico, Apulia, Italy 28,000ybp mtDNA=1: HV or U?(click here says H, click here says HV or RO)=1

Gravettian culture Wales, UK 26,000ybp mtDNA=1: Unreadble CRS unknown haplogroup(click here says rCRS means it is most likely H)=1

Gravettian cultureRignano Garganico, Apulia, Italy 24,000ybp mtDNA=1: HV or RO=1

Gravettian cultureRignano Garganico, Apulia, Italy 24,000ybp mtDNA=1: 73G, 10873C, 10238T, 10397A, 10398A, 10399C, 10400C, 16223T, reported as N*, correct for 10398A, but inconsistent with 10400C, so possible mosaic=1

Mal'ta Siberia, Russia(full genome info click here) 24,000BP mtDNA=U*, Y DNA= R*, dark skin, dark brown hair, brown eyes.

Solutrean culture, Nerja, Málaga Spain 18,000-15,000bc mtDNA=3: RO?=1, U=2

Magdalenian culture, Hohler Fels, Germany 13,400bc mtDNA=2: U=2

Rignano Garganico, Apulia, Italy 13,000-9,000bc mtDNA=1: U2'3'4'7'8'9=1

Magdalenian culture El Pirulejo,Spain 11,500-10,500bc mtDNA=2: ?=1, Unreadable(CRS)=1

Magdalenian culture La Pasiega (Cantabria), Spain mtDNA=3: RO or HV(reported as H, no date given)=1, U?(reported as H6, no date given)=1, U5(12,300BP)=1

Late Epi-Gravettian Continenza, Italy 14,000-8,000ybp mtDNA=1: U5b2b1=1