Ethnographic Regions of Europe

[Zrinski]

Actually, Rusyns and SW Ukrainians are genetically South Slavic...

You mean to say that South Slavs are genetically like Rusyns and SW Ukrainians? The Slavs did not arrive from the Balkans to Ukraine.

[Jana]

You mean to say that South Slavs are genetically like Rusyns and SW Ukrainians? The Slavs did not arrive from the Balkans to Ukraine.

Vlachs colonised Carpathian region in 14th and 15th centuries and this Slavic Vlach mix makes them similar to us, on top of the fact their Slavic part is White Croat.

Standard Poles and Ukrainians don't have Vlach blood.

[Peterski]

The images do not prove your point at all. West Ukrainians (including Rusyns) are East Slavs, genetically and anthropologically almost identical to other Ukrainians instead of West Slavs and Polish people.

West Ukrainians are way closer to Poles than to East Ukrainians.

Even on GEDmatch you can check it (compare Ukrainian_Belgorod average to Ukrainian_Lviv).

[Zrinski]

Standard Poles and Ukrainians don't have Vlach blood.

If standard Poles don't have this Vlach blood, and Rusyns are closest to standard Ukrainians, then how you can claim them to be West Slavs and Polish?

[Jana]

If standard Poles don't have this Vlach blood, and Rusyns are closest to standard Ukrainians, then how you can claim them to be West Slavs and Polish?

I didn't state any of that. I said they are different from both.

[Jana]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ical-to-Croats

SW Ukrainian and his family gedmatch results, they cluster closest to Croats and fit is extremelly good, better than my family. I checked his blog and he stated his family is native to the region for centuries. Aspirin said it is typical Rusyn surname.

[Peterski]

I have some Ukrainian regional averages.

For example Ukrainians from Chernihiv Oblast - who are they closest to genetically? Here the top 8:

1. BY_Polesye 4.106458
2. UA_Poltava 4.627462
3. UA_Vinnytsia 4.846566
4. BY_Grodno 5.093221
5. RU_Oryol 5.134530
6. PL_Lubelskie 5.335316
7. PL_Podlaskie 5.387699
8. RU_Smolensk 5.426491

As you can see they are intermediate between Eastern Poles (6., 7.) and Western Russians (5., 8.).

They are closest to Belarusians from Polesye and Ukrainians from Poltava Oblast.

[Aspirin]

Don't forget about Pokucie / Pokuttia / Покуття / Pocuția - historical region that used to be a disputed territory of Poland and Moldova.

Obertyn flashbacks.

[Zrinski]

I have some Ukrainian regional averages.

For example Ukrainians from Chernihiv Oblast - who are they closest to genetically? Here the top 8:

1. BY_Polesye 4.106458
2. UA_Poltava 4.627462
3. UA_Vinnytsia 4.846566
4. BY_Grodno 5.093221
5. RU_Oryol 5.134530
6. PL_Lubelskie 5.335316
7. PL_Podlaskie 5.387699
8. RU_Smolensk 5.426491

As you can see they are intermediate between Eastern Poles (6., 7.) and Western Russians (5., 8.).

They are closest to Belarusians from Polesye and Ukrainians from Poltava Oblast.

Thanks, this gives a perspective.

[Peterski]

Thanks, this gives a perspective, but they are more an intermediate between these Belarusians (1., 4.,) and Western Russians (5., 8.) than Eastern Poles (6., 7.) and Western Russians (5., 8.) or Belarusians (1., 4.,) and Eastern Poles (6., 7.). More correctly, they are closest to Belarusians and Ukrainians. Still not closest to the Poles.

Yeah but Chernihiv is in North-East Ukraine.

West Ukrainians are closer to Eastern Poles.

600 years in the same kingdom (since 1340).