Should North Africans be considered Caucasoids or Puerto Rican/Brazilian style Pardos?

**~~Baldur~~** · 10-27-2013, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Adam the Rify

North african are caucasoid

That picture seals the deal right?

**daedal1** · 10-27-2013, 11:03 PM

North Africans basically look like quadroons. The question is should Vin Diesel be considered caucasoid?

**Also** · 10-28-2013, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by daedal1

That's rubbish. They're all dark, you have some people here saying tunisians are darkest, others saying moroccans are darkest, etc and even north moroccans still look like typical north africans and they all have a lot of SSA, far more than gulf arabs.

I am far from being an expert in issues regarding North Africa, but I think you are making an unreasonable generalization, I've seem north africans with a typical southern european skin tone and even appearence.

I remember briefly reading this article, that I quote.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/...n-1002397-g003

"At k = 2 (ADMIXTURE), 80% of the ancestry in North African individuals is assigned to a cluster defined by its maximum frequency in Near Eastern and European populations"

"At k = 6 through 8, all North African populations except for Tunisians have sub-Saharan ancestry, present in most individuals, though this ancestry varies between 1%–55%. Interestingly, eastern populations (i.e. Libya and Egypt) share ancestry assigned to both the Bantu-speaking Luhya and the Nilotic-speaking Maasai, whereas western populations share ancestry mainly with the Luhya. Of note is that the South Moroccan and western Saharan populations contain considerable variation across individuals in the amount of sub-Saharan ancestry (see also [14], [26]), consistent with recent admixture."

Even the infamous Madison Grant talked about that on his book "The Passing of the Great Race".

"Africa north of the Sahara, from a zoological point of view, is now, and has been since early Tertiary times, a part of Europe. This is true both of animals and of the races of man. The Berbers of north Africa to-day (1916) are racially identical with the Spaniards and south Italians."

The underline is mine.

**daedal1** · 10-28-2013, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Also

I am far from being an expert in issues regarding North Africa, but I think you are making an unreasonable generalization, I've seem north africans with a typical southern european skin tone and even appearence.

I remember briefly reading this article, that I quote.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/...n-1002397-g003

"At k = 2 (ADMIXTURE), 80% of the ancestry in North African individuals is assigned to a cluster defined by its maximum frequency in Near Eastern and European populations"

"At k = 6 through 8, all North African populations except for Tunisians have sub-Saharan ancestry, present in most individuals, though this ancestry varies between 1%–55%. Interestingly, eastern populations (i.e. Libya and Egypt) share ancestry assigned to both the Bantu-speaking Luhya and the Nilotic-speaking Maasai, whereas western populations share ancestry mainly with the Luhya. Of note is that the South Moroccan and western Saharan populations contain considerable variation across individuals in the amount of sub-Saharan ancestry (see also [14], [26]), consistent with recent admixture."

Even the infamous Madison Grant talked about that on his book "The Passing of the Great Race".

"Africa north of the Sahara, from a zoological point of view, is now, and has been since early Tertiary times, a part of Europe. This is true both of animals and of the races of man. The Berbers of north Africa to-day (1916) are racially identical with the Spaniards and south Italians."

The underline is mine.

North Africans are genetically south of and have more SSA than gulf arabs. They are blacker, than even yemenis.

That being said, why aren't any of the posters who claimed that John Turturro can't pass in North African commenting on this? If Levant people can pass in North Africa, and some Italians can pass in the Levant, then some Italians should also be able to pass in North Africa. Even Mainland Greeks (and therefore albanians who cluster with mainland greeks) are genetically closer to North Africans and Middle Easterners than Spaniards are.

I find it hilarious how some people try to black-wash gulf arabs, but then turn a blind eye to north africans, who are, in reality, more black-admixed than even gulf arabs.