#paleoamericanodyssey tweets on 24,000-year old Mal'ta Siberian

[Harkonnen]

Like I said, North Amerindian is very similar to East Siberian. The Uralic component had a very interesting spread on that sheet as it scored around 30 also on the ancient Swedish Funnelbeaker remains as well as on todays Saami, but surprisingly not at all with Finns. Anyway thank you very much Aila

[Black Wolf]

K27:
Ancient
0.001 Nilotic-Omotic
4.6573 Ancestral-South-Indian
11.4993 North-European-Baltic
38.4626 Uralic
0.001 Australo-Melanesian
0.001 East-Siberean
0.001 Ancestral-Yayoi
0.001 Caucasian-Near-Eastern
0.001 Tibeto-Burman
0.001 Austronesian
0.001 Central-African-Pygmean
0.001 Central-African-Hunter-Gatherers
0.001 Nilo-Saharian
0.001 North-African
25.3658 Gedrosia-Caucasian
0.001 Cushitic
0.001 Congo-Pygmean
0.001 Bushmen
0.001 South-Meso-Amerindian
0.001 South-West-European
17.3835 North-Amerindian
0.001 Arabic
0.001 North-Circumpolar
0.001 Kalash
1.1879 Papuan-Australian
0.001 Baltic-Finnic
1.4236 Bantu

The "Ancient" clustered together with Bashkirs, Chuvash and Udmurts.

Is this ''Ancient'' sample that Verenich had the same as this Siberian one do you know for sure?

[Aila]

Is this ''Ancient'' sample that Verenich had the same as this Siberian one do you know for sure?

Wish Vadim was here to talk about it himself, but here is the link:
http://verenich.wordpress.com/category/mdlp/

Ancient DNA resident Paleolithic Malta (Siberia)
[2,] "33.7% + 66.3% Brahui Udmurd" "21.9804"
[3,] "34.5% + 65.5% Makrani Udmurd" "22,357"
[4,] "34.3% + 65.7% Balochi Udmurd" "22,413"
[5 ,] "33.3% + 66.7% Sindhi Udmurd" "24.1198"
[6,] "36.5% + 63.5% Burusho Udmurd" "24,211"
[7,] "39.7% + 60.3% Pashtun Udmurd" "24.3389"
[8] "Pathan 34.3% + 65.7% Udmurd" "24,716"
[9,] "32.2% + 67.8% Pakistani Udmurd" "24,753"
[10,] "41.4% Tadjik + 58.6% Udmurd" "24.852

[Argang]

Like I said, North Amerindian is very similar to East Siberian. The Uralic component had a very interesting spread on that sheet as it scored around 30 also on the ancient Swedish Funnelbeaker remains as well as on todays Saami, but surprisingly not at all with Finns. Anyway thank you very much Aila

K27's "Baltic-finnic" component covers the majority of siberian-type affinity in La Brana and Finns, but compare its Fst distances to North Asian populations with normal "Baltic" and you see that component covers less of it. The European or European-like components in both types of Swedish remains are either Baltic, or Southwest European and Near Eastern, so their Asian connection shows up separately as Uralic (or Amerindian etc).

[Black Wolf]

Wish Vadim was here to talk about it himself, but here is the link:
http://verenich.wordpress.com/category/mdlp/

Yes I did see that earlier as well thank you still though. Verenich's stuff always seems to strange to me though.

[Black Wolf]

K27's "Baltic-finnic" component covers the majority of siberian-type affinity in La Brana and Finns, but compare its Fst distances to North Asian populations with normal "Baltic" and you see that component covers less of it. The European or European-like components in both types of Swedish remains are either Baltic, or Southwest European and Near Eastern, so their Asian connection shows up separately as Uralic (or Amerindian etc).

What do you think about the origins of the North-European-Baltic and Baltic-Finnic components from Vadim Verenich's K27 analysis?

[Argang]

They're almost the same based on Fst distances, I don't know for sure until Verenich explains it...but my suspicion is that the North-European Baltic is like the normal "Lithuanian" component used for North European in Eurogenes K9 etc, and Baltic-Finnic is the same but with all La Brana's more eastern affinity included.

Another explanation could be that it's a Baltic component that shows separately because of (especially North) Finnish genetic drift, but I don't think that would show up in La Brana at over 60%.

[Aila]

Baltic comparisons from the K27 spreadsheet:

North European Baltic
75.70067 Latvian
74.6215 Swedish-Mesolithic
71.67041 Lithuanian
66.1018 Russian
63.08741 Belarusian
62.98316 Center-Russian
61.85183 Sorb
61.65038 Pole
61.60694 South-Russian
60.98117 Estonian

Baltic-Finnic
79.77067 North_Finn
67.7311 BRA
58.0823 Finland
54.38295 South_Finn
52.63717 Finn
48.27855 Inkeri
45.21724 Saami
42.48989 Karelian
34.45601 Vepsa
17.15289 Estonian

[Black Wolf]

They're almost the same based on Fst distances, I don't know for sure until Verenich explains it...but my suspicion is that the North-European Baltic is like the normal "Lithuanian" component used for North European in Eurogenes K9 etc, and Baltic-Finnic is the same but with all La Brana's more eastern affinity included.

Another explanation could be that it's a Baltic component that shows separately because of (especially North) Finnish genetic drift, but I don't think that would show up in La Brana at over 60%.

Is there a DIY version of this calculator for us to use yet? Can we download it?

[Argang]

It's this one

But there's heavy calculator effect so unless you are in the project, the results won't be comparable with references.