Why do people assume the Romans had any genetic impact on Iberia and France?

[Armand_Duval]

The Romans were military invaders and never repopulated areas or had any major effect on the demographics of any region they conquered, only the culture. Why do people assume otherwise?

How can you be so sure of that?.

The spanish and french languages evolved from the "vulgar" latin, the latin spoken by the troops, so if they stayed long enough for a whole new language to evolve, why not to think many of those soldiers left decendence?, for me it is obvious.

[Empecinado]

How can you be so sure of that?.

The spanish and french languages evolved from the "vulgar" latin, the latin spoken by the troops, so if they stayed long enough for a whole new language to evolve, why not to think many of those soldiers left decendence?, for me it is obvious.

Languages are not always is related with ancestry, locals simply adopted Latin (except Basques). Roman population didn't leave genetic legacy, according genetics, and like most of the invaders made up only a tiny part of society.

[Armand_Duval]

Languages are not always is related with ancestry, locals simply adopted Latin (except Basques). Roman population didn't leave genetic legacy, according genetics, and like most of the invaders made up only a tiny part of society.

Mmmmh maybe they did but it got lost throughout all those many years.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

And that's a small amount. There is no way that given the size of populations of Iberia and France back then that wandering legions of central Italian military men could displace that many whole populations and be their primary ancestry.

But 100% of italics didn't have it. Doubtful even 100% of rome had it initially. There isn't even that much in italy. There's more in anatolia than italy.

I'm sure there was impact but impact doesn't mean you completely colonize a place. It's also a mistake to look at italy today as a guide to what colonization did for iberia. Whatever impact rome had on rest of world is not as great as impact on rome itself.

[Rudel]

People assume stupid things because they're stupid, that's pretty obvious.

My ancestors picked up Latin the same way you all picked up English. Which wasn't hard to begin with, as we had ancient ties with Romans and the Gaulish dialects were relatively close to Latino-Fallisc ones.
If anything the place that was changed most genetically with the imperial period is Italy itself.

[Empecinado]

Mmmmh maybe they did but it got lost throughout all those many years.

I don't think so though, not even the Visigoths who were more left a relevant genetic traces let alone Romans who never settled in masse like Goths did. Ethnic Romans were mostly confined to military garrisons and to the local nobility.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

How can you be so sure of that?.

The spanish and french languages evolved from the "vulgar" latin, the latin spoken by the troops, so if they stayed long enough for a whole new language to evolve, why not to think many of those soldiers left decendence?, for me it is obvious.

I have some Italian ancestry, not a high as the Iberian ancestry but yeah on the tests get some Italian, which probably I may have come with the Spaniard ancestry, from Italian-Roman settlement to Spain.

[Sikeliot]

I have some Italian ancestry, not a high as the Iberian ancestry but yeah on the tests get some Italian, which probably I may have come with the Spaniard ancestry, from Italian-Roman settlement to Spain.

Even Armenians and Iranians score some of that.. it is proxy for something "Neolithic" unless you have real Italian ancestry.

Iberians never score it, but Latin Americans do. So it might be Sephardic.

[Armand_Duval]

I don't think so though, not even the Visigoths who were more left a relevant genetic traces let alone Romans who never settled in masse like Goths did. Ethnic Romans were mostly confined to military garrisons and to the local nobility.

Maybe romans had this way of thinking about not to get that involved with the original populations of their conquered lands, maybe they thought that was a way to mantain a more ferreous control over them, only it gets my attention how they didnt mix, it talks about how disciplined were the roman legions too.

[Sikeliot]

If the Romans ever did have any impact, it'd be bred out by now considering that it'd have been stronger in southern Spain, which, after the Reconquista was largely repopulated from the north.