Albanians and Tuscans

[Herr Abubu]

Why is it that Albanians always cluster the closest to Tuscans on every admixture calculator there is? Some Albanians have even gotten 100% Tuscan from McDonald, f.e. My results are consistently either Tuscan or North Italian.

How would you explain this?

[Shah-Jehan]

Arbereshe migration?

[MelinusMargos]

Arbereshe migration?

In Northern Italy there aren't Arbereshe settlements. Maybe it's due to an affiliation between Illyrians and Italics, especially Venetis.
Plus you have to consider that there isn't any specific Albanian sample, so it may be not much accurate.

[Herr Abubu]

Arbereshe migration?

I don't think there ever was any Arbereshe community in Tuscany, all Arbereshe communities were in the south and Sicily.

Btw, I wonder why I never get South Italian and haven't seen other Albanians get it, even though there has been a sizeable Arbereshe community in South Italy and Sicily. I score closer to Ashkenazim, Austrians, Spaniards, Portuguese and even Sephardic Jews than I do South Italians, who don't even turn up on any calculation.

[safinator]

According to my samples Tuscans overall are the closest match with sometimes Greek Mainlanders or Bulgarians being first.

It must have to do with the overall mixing of Northern Southern components me thinks.

[Herr Abubu]

In Northern Italy there aren't Arbereshe settlements. Maybe it's due to an affiliation between Illyrians and Italics, especially Venetis.
Plus you have to consider that there isn't any specific Albanian sample, so it may be not much accurate.

Yes, that could be. But why isn't it true for the Puglia area, too, then, where the Messapians lived?

Does that affect the calculator? Would the inclusion of an Albanian sample affect how Albanians score with other groups?

[MfA_]

There are theories When Etruscans left Anatolia they reach Italy towards todays Albania and Dardanians are connected to Anatolian Dardanels(Northwest Anatolians).. I also read somewhere at E-M35 forum haplozone that Anatolian V13 is older than Balkan type.. I didn't dig much and don't know much honestly so take it with a grain of salt..

[safinator]

There are theories When Etruscans left Anatolia they reach Italy towards todays Albania and Dardanians are connected to Anatolian Dardanels(Northwest Anatolians).. I also read somewhere at E-M35 forum haplozone that Anatolian V13 is older than Balkan type.. I didn't dig much and don't know much honestly so take it with a grain of salt..

Well today Tuscans have very low E-V13 and the Garfagnana region has one of the highest R1b U-152 presence in the world so i wouldn't put too much faith on it.

[Herr Abubu]

There are theories When Etruscans left Anatolia they reach Italy towards todays Albania and Dardanians are connected to Anatolian Dardanels(Northwest Anatolians).. I also read somewhere at E-M35 forum haplozone that Anatolian V13 is older than Balkan type.. I didn't dig much and don't know much honestly so take it with a grain of salt..

I've thought of that, too. I remember a study some time ago that concluded that Italians are the genetically closest to Thracians today, with Albanians and Greeks behind Italians. I've read that Anatolian Dardanelles had ties with the Thracians (material culture). Maybe there were genetic ties, too? Trojans (Dardanians) may have migrated to Italy after the Trojan war (if you can interpret the Aenid figuratively). Plus Etruscans. Far-fetched, but exciting. Still doesn't explain why exactly Tuscans.

[Herr Abubu]

Well today Tuscans have very low E-V13 and the Garfagnana region has one of the highest R1b U-152 presence in the world so i wouldn't put too much faith on it.

I don't think relying on haplogroups is very reliable. Proportions can easily change over a large period of time without any movement of people.