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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonhead View Post
    Well considering how they stuck up for georgia I am not too worried. They have worked hard to pussify their populance and there's no turning back now. There's no country in west europe that could fight a real war any more, even English nearly pulled out of falklands due to losing 100 men.
    Agreed.

    Even if the official wording disguises the process as some sort of empowerment by the Bundeswehr, the reality is quite simple: European Armed Forces will be unified (by force or by consent) in terms of logistics, weaponry and protocols of deployment, to serve the larger interests of the Atlanticist system, led of course by the American War Machine (to quote Peter Dale Scott).

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    Double post. Please delete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Your Anti-German articles become more and more ridiculous.
    The article is not mine, it was written by Sven Heymann.
    Furthermore, Germany is not the main issue here. What matters is NATO's operational developments.

    You can however, interpret it however you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonhead View Post
    Well considering how they stuck up for georgia I am not too worried. They have worked hard to pussify their populance and there's no turning back now. There's no country in west europe that could fight a real war any more, even English nearly pulled out of falklands due to losing 100 men.
    Don't underestimate France, it has a "Blue Water" Navy and although it has considerably less nukes than the US and Russia, it still has more nukes than anyone else.
    Plus, while the World's journalism was "sleeping", their military operations in Mali were pretty successful...
    Of course it's not a superpower, but it's still a power (and I'm sure that Great Britain has the same capabilities).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scandalf View Post
    Don't underestimate France, it has a "Blue Water" Navy and although it has considerably less nukes than the US and Russia, it still has more nukes than anyone else.
    Plus, while the World's journalism was "sleeping", their military operations in Mali were pretty successful...
    Of course it's not a superpower, but it's still a power (and I'm sure that Great Britain has the same capabilities).
    You seem to greatly overestimate the situation of the French military.

    Codename "Serval", the name given to the operation in Mali, had a clear influence of the American AFRICOM, namely transportation. The French troops required the assistance of American aircraft and fuel to arrive to their destination.

    The new White Book of the French military is including sharp cuts in the numbers of their personnel as well as their helicopter fleet, and even including the possibility of selling the Charles De Gaulle carrier.

    Since the presidency of Sarkozy, France has reintegrated the unified NATO command it left when De Gaulle returned to power in the late 1950s, which greatly diminishes their autonomy.

    A great numbers of political figures of the Republic, including current President Hollande, are former "Young Leaders" of the French-American foundation which promotes a heavily pro-American/pro-NATO position.

    Both mainstream parties, the UMP and the PS are fully compliant servants of the Atlanticist system, as evidenced when the Socialist government said it would join the US in a possible strike against Syria, or when it refused Edward Snowden's asylum application; and when leading "right-wing" leaders like Jean-Francois Copé defend NATO at every turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    The article is not mine, it was written by Sven Heymann.
    You've posted it. Nonetheless, the article remains being incorrect and biased.


    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    Furthermore, Germany is not the main issue here. What matters is NATO's operational developments.
    Of course, how could I forget that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    You can however, interpret it however you want.
    Thank you very much.

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    It is Germany's destiny to go imperial again. Along with Japan. History will be on their side this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoca View Post
    It is Germany's destiny to go imperial again. Along with Japan. History will be on their side this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    You seem to greatly overestimate the situation of the French military.

    Codename "Serval", the name given to the operation in Mali, had a clear influence of the American AFRICOM, namely transportation. The French troops required the assistance of American aircraft and fuel to arrive to their destination.

    The new White Book of the French military is including sharp cuts in the numbers of their personnel as well as their helicopter fleet, and even including the possibility of selling the Charles De Gaulle carrier.

    Since the presidency of Sarkozy, France has reintegrated the unified NATO command it left when De Gaulle returned to power in the late 1950s, which greatly diminishes their autonomy.

    A great numbers of political figures of the Republic, including current President Hollande, are former "Young Leaders" of the French-American foundation which promotes a heavily pro-American/pro-NATO position.

    Both mainstream parties, the UMP and the PS are fully compliant servants of the Atlanticist system, as evidenced when the Socialist government said it would join the US in a possible strike against Syria, or when it refused Edward Snowden's asylum application; and when leading "right-wing" leaders like Jean-Francois Copé defend NATO at every turn.
    True, there is a change of pace. But it started recently. The infrastructure, the deterrent and the capability to project force still remain.
    They borrowed an allied logistical assistance to cut expenses?
    I call them smart, not weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    The new White Book of the French military is including sharp cuts in the numbers of their personnel as well as their helicopter fleet, and even including the possibility of selling the Charles De Gaulle carrier.
    The Charles de Gaulle won't be touched any time soon.

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