Indo-European origins.

[Albion]

YOU MAD! I hope to be J2 or G!!! Are you kidding me?! Better to be an IE Neolithic farmer than a non-IE Turkic speaker R1a (a.k.a Afanasevo/Andronovo)

Turkics were in East Asia back then. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Siginulfo]

Ossetians are just North Caucasians who adopted Indo-Iranian culture and language, silly.
Tocharians possessing G actually points to the Pontic Steppe and thus R1a theory of IE - G can easily be explained as assimilated North Caucasians that ended up there via the IE nomadic migrations.
What would Neolithic farmers be doing in the barren Tarim? The Tocharians were goat herders!

Facts and genetics say that. Ossetians are truly a people of dominator made up of G2a1. Who are you to say they adopted everything? Show me the paper please

[Siginulfo]

Turkics were in East Asia back then. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Stop supposing bullshits and show papers instead. Everything points out that R1a isn't IE, the RgVeda in primis.

Look at the map, I see it is in Northern East Asia too, stop making yourself stupid. You know the eastern ending of the culture comprised most of the Turkic and Mongoloid territory.

[Artek]

Facts and genetics say that. Ossetians are truly a people of dominator made up of G2a1. Who are you to say they adopted everything? Show me the paper please

Ossetians (and other caucasian tribes)are a small and isolated populations, they shouldn't be even considered as a representative.
I told you previously, that many Neolithic G's and J's were assimilated with IE R1a people, not the other way round.

[Siginulfo]

Ossetians (and other caucasian tribes)are a small and isolated populations, they shouldn't be even considered as a representative.
I told you previously, that many Neolithic G's and J's were assimilated with IE R1a people, not the other way round.

I do not consider your words if you don't have a paper to confirm it or a minimal other proof. Everyone can say everything, but thethings are to be accepted with proofs, not with trust and blindness.

[Albion]

Facts and genetics say that. Ossetians are truly a people of dominator made up of G2a1. Who are you to say they adopted everything? Show me the paper please

I don't have one, just use your common sense.

Stop supposing bullshits and show papers instead. Everything points out that R1a isn't IE, the RgVeda in primis.

Look at the map, I see it is in Northern East Asia too, stop making yourself stupid.

R1a is IE, Turkics were latter invaders to Central Asia. You're the one rewriting history here with these fringe theories.

[Siginulfo]

I don't have one, just use your common sense.



R1a is IE, Turkics were latter invaders to Central Asia. You're the one rewriting history here with these fringe theories.

One have to have a good imagination to see that Turkics were comprised in Afanasevo culture, isn't it?

[Artek]

I do not consider your words if you don't have a paper to confirm it or a minimal other proof. Everyone can say everything, but thethings are to be accepted with proofs, not with trust and blindness.

Proofs were shown previously by many knowledgeable scientists and it is confirmed by a genetics too.
I'm not so desperate to try to convince you with sources. If you are so eager to search for an information, you should have learned that your teory is biased.

[Peyrol]

Keep the thread in the good-manner-way...no personal insults, please.

[Optimus]

Again what I said! You not read my links, fuck, and want to be right and I must read your proofs?

This is the last time I re-link something:

A common ancestor of Indo-European and Hurrian

http://dienekes.blogspot.it/2011/02/...opean-and.html

Poor you, G peaks in IE Ossetians and other groups derived from IE speakers (Kalash) and descendandts of Tocharians (Uyghurs; that could have the maximum frequency in the world).

Read previous pages.

G peaks high in Caucasus because of founder effect Einstein,you forget that G is quite present among Georgians too.Also PIE had only single male lineage not two or more because they were quite patriarchal and didn't include foreign males into their groups.

Again, what have Kazakhstan or Central Asia of "eastern Europe"?

It is a scretch from Central-East Europe to Western Kazakhstan but the origin is Eastern Europe>Ukrainian steppes.