Haplogroup E3b1a2 as a Possible Indicator of Settlement in Roman Britain by Soldiers of Balkan Ori

[Optimus]

Right, so what about the western subclades - what is their origin then? You don't support the Iberian theory do you?
Personally I think R1b originated in Anatolia and the Armenian Highlands bringing a sort of proto-IE to Anatolia (the Anatolian languages). When R1b and R1a came into contact again IE was created as we know it (the R1a people speaking a related language to the R1b).
Armenian being a weird version of IE could stem from this IMO.

Yes i do,Bell Beakers started in Iberia but they had a strong maritime culture and migrated there with ships.The problem is how?Whether they had a long maritime route from Anatolia or they could have migrated via North Africa with a short maritime route.From Anatolia>SouthEasternEurope>WesternEurope via Mediterranean seems more plausible to me that is why we have in Balkans younger R1b subclades than WestAsia and older ones than Western Europe.

Armenian language seems to originate in Balkans and their language can be explained from second-hand IE people.They have more Balkan YDNA than their neighbors afterall like EV13.

[Siginulfo]

Yes i do,Bell Beakers started in Iberia but they had a strong maritime culture and migrated there with ships.The problem is how?Whether they had a long maritime route from Anatolia or they could have migrated via North Africa with a short maritime route.From Anatolia>SouthEasternEurope>WesternEurope via Mediterranean seems more plausible to me that is why we have in Balkans younger R1b subclades than WestAsia and older ones than Western Europe.

Armenian language seems to originate in Balkans and their language can be explained from second-hand IE people.They have more Balkan YDNA than their neighbors afterall like EV13.

Here I don't see so many E-V13 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

[Optimus]

Here I don't see so many E-V13 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

Those E1b1b in red didn't order deep clade test anyway i didn't said EV13 should be quite present there because it isn't it is like 5-7% as far as i recall.Anyway it is just a hypothesis regarding the origin of Armenian language from Balkans.

But your theory of Indo-Europeans being J2 and G is laughable considering recent genetic studies.

[Siginulfo]

Those E1b1b in red didn't order deep clade test anyway i didn't said EV13 should be quite present there because it isn't it is like 5-7% as far as i recall.Anyway it is just a hypothesis regarding the origin of Armenian language from Balkans.

But your theory of Indo-Europeans being J2 and G is laughable considering recent genetic studies.

Considering the recent study I sent you via PM a second ago, my theory (Anatolian Hypothesis) is less laughable than yours.

[Optimus]

Considering the recent study I sent you via PM a second ago, my theory (Anatolian Hypothesis) is less laughable than yours.

Proceed here please.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...05#post1005005

[Albion]

Yes i do,Bell Beakers started in Iberia but they had a strong maritime culture and migrated there with ships.The problem is how?Whether they had a long maritime route from Anatolia or they could have migrated via North Africa with a short maritime route.From Anatolia>SouthEasternEurope>WesternEurope via Mediterranean seems more plausible to me that is why we have in Balkans younger R1b subclades than WestAsia and older ones than Western Europe.

Armenian language seems to originate in Balkans and their language can be explained from second-hand IE people.They have more Balkan YDNA than their neighbors afterall like EV13.

I'd actually overlooked the sea lanes, I suppose this could be possible - R1b could have followed the earlier Megalithic culture into Western Europe. It might have still spoken a non-Indo-European language and latter acquired it from the Celtic culture I suppose since many pre-IE languages survived in R1b areas into the Iron Age.
I did wonder why R1b wasn't so common in the Balkans if there was a migration through there, so see lanes bypassing most of SE Europe does seem possible. Neolithic Northern and Western Europe was in decline as I mentioned earlier, climate change was killing off the Megalithic culture in Britain and NW Europe.
It's notable that Stonehenge, perhaps the greatest and one of the newest stone circles in England was constructed as the Bell Beakers started to show up. I think the Beaker Culture may have led to a Megalithic revival, but gradually it came to subsume the Neolithics in a new culture.

It does make some sense. The Irish have migration myths about different races which settled the island, the last ones (the ancestors of the Irish) were said to have come from Troy (Anatolia) via NW Iberia (Galicia). 'Troy' is just the latter Irish mixing in Greek history for prestige, but it is possible that they could have passed this way.
It's interesting to note that both Ireland and Galicia spoke Q-Celtic instead of P-Celtic like Britain and Gaul. Q-Celtic is presumed to be the older version.

Britain has a similar myth to the Irish but it is a Welsh tale. The English technically speaking claim descent from Odin the wonderer who I believe originally led a real tribe and eventually was immortalised as a god as tales got passed on over the centuries.
Odin ~ Zeus, Asgard ~ Olympos - I think it goes back very far indeed, back to the Steppes. How else would IE religions be so similar?

[Siginulfo]

For those who think the E haplogroup is Negroid: then also R1b is Negroid, given that it's found in Negroids.

[Albion]

For those who think the E haplogroup is Negroid: then also R1b is Negroid, given that it's found in Negroids.

Lol, such a stupid argument:

E came from Africa, R1b went to Africa.

I don't think anyone is saying Albanians or other people rich in E haplogroup are Negroids in the same way as nobody is suggesting that Nigerians are Caucasians because of some R1b.

[Siginulfo]

Lol, such a stupid argument:

E came from Africa, R1b went to Africa.

I don't think anyone is saying Albanians or other people rich in E haplogroup are Negroids in the same way as nobody is suggesting that Nigerians are Caucasians because of some R1b.

Lol Negroids didn't even exist at the time of origin of E.

[Albion]

Lol Negroids didn't even exist at the time of origin of E.

Indeed.

One thing that bugs me is how people act like the current Negroid Africans have never done any wrong, that they never invaded anybody.
It seems these idiots forget / haven't heard of the Bantu expansions. Most Sub-Saharan Africans used to be Capoid until they were forced out by the Negroid Bantus much latter. Had the Dutch not turned up at the Cape I think it is likely that Capoids would have died out completely as the Bantu-speaking peoples slowly crept into the Cape.

It's ironic that last part too - the Bantu speakers could travel by land easily and only had a few Khoisan Capoids to deal with plus they'd been expanding south for centuries.
Europeans on the other hand had the Sahara, the sea, the Muslims and the Bantu as a barrier and yet they managed to get to the Cape before the Bantu! It's ridiculous, and yet the Negroid Bantu speakers of today, the Black Africans claim that all Africa is their property.



When you look at Capoids it becomes clear that the other races didn't evolve from Negroids as the multiculturalists would have us believe. They claim we're all descended from Africans and in their mind these early Africans were the black Bantu - a race originally adapted to the West African rainforests, not the arid Great Rift Valley where humans are supposed to have evolved.
Capoids look closer to Caucasians and Mongoloids than Negroids, if the out of Africa theory is to be believed then we would have originally looked more like the Capoids than the latter Negroid invaders the multiculturalist idiots want us to worship.

It seems to me those who call us preservationists "ignorant" are much more ignorant of things themselves.