Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

**Jackson** · 01-12-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by evon

Due to the strange patterns seen in central asian population matches in Swedes in the map above, i have decided i will make a reverse map for the peoples in central asia, with matches in Europe and the middle east later after some dinner and a short nap

Sounds awesome. Do you think that the number and commonness of these segments (despite the fact they are 4cM so not tiny) is pointing at something more ancient?

**Graham** · 01-12-2013, 03:46 PM

Was going to try the UK one. But got completely lost. Too many initials, I don't know what they are.

**evon** · 01-12-2013, 07:11 PM

OK here are the Central Asian populations with most 4cM+ matches in Europe and the middle east, west of Iran and the Volga river:

Tadjiks:

Uzbeks:

Turkmen:

Hazara:

Anyone see any patterns? I think the matches in far western Europe is some old link, the lack of Norwegian matches is very interesting versus the Swedish matches, the same can be said for Finnish matches which are very few..

The most frequent matches are regional and not lingustic or cultural, as is visible with the Turkic and Iranic ideas which are proven wrong here.

**Graham** · 01-12-2013, 07:15 PM

Nice work, it makes more sense to do it this way round imo. Uzbeks stay more East Central Europe. Hazara avoided Scandinavia & works it's way to England.

**evon** · 01-12-2013, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Graham

Nice work, it makes more sense to do it this way round imo. Uzbeks stay more East Central Europe. Hazara avoided Scandinavia & works it's way to England.

I would have liked to explore this further and i am hoping Polako (eurogenes) will do a new one focusing on these and more populations and Europe and the middle east, as its one of those crossing points that can tell us so much about population movement..i dont know why i did not look at them earlier.. next i want to look at Mongol and Mongola matches to see if we see and remnants from pax mongolica, the Hazaras are clearly part of the Mongol story, but i wonder if the mongol/mongola, are identifiable by this or by more normal regional ties as we see with the central asians and their regional tie to Caucasus peoples...

Sadly my method of making them is very slow, if i could work excel magic i would have been able to make better use of my time...

**Graham** · 01-12-2013, 10:59 PM

Mongolians should have quite a few matches in Turkey. From what I've seen already.

**evon** · 01-12-2013, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Graham

Mongolians should have quite a few matches in Turkey. From what I've seen already.

Really? if you look at the Turkish matches map i made earlier they have very few matches with Mongol and Mongola (one or two Turks match these populations), maybe you mean the Turkish reference samples? i have not looked into them fully yet.. i will check it out tomorrow, lets see what i find

**Graham** · 01-12-2013, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by evon

Really? if you look at the Turkish matches map i made earlier they have very few matches with Mongol and Mongola (one or two Turks match these populations), maybe you mean the Turkish reference samples? i have not looked into them fully yet.. i will check it out tomorrow, lets see what i find

Maybe I read wrong..

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

Su -- 3.7 Mongol
Orangepulp -- 4.8 Mongol

That is what I seen.

**Jackson** · 01-12-2013, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Graham

Maybe I read wrong..

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

You could always do all of the UK, Kent, Cornwall, Orcadian ones and then when you have that you can look for their matches if they come along and need the information?